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    Posted: April 01 2005 at 6:46pm

Ok I finally got done with my reef automation. I ended up going with the homeseer software with x10  and Dallas semiconductor DS1890 based temperature sensors. At this point, all the lighting and temperature controls are controlled using a PC running Homeseer. The system can monitor and trigger events based on a given event like shutting of the Metal Halides when temperature going over 89F etc. It also controls a canopy based fan. In case of a power outage, the system reboots and brings everything back online. I can acess it online and turn thing on and off (guests can only view but not control). It can also send me a page or text message if a certain event transpires like overheating or overflow condition (although I havent inplemented that yet).

check it out http://homeseer.bounceme.net:8080/ 

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Very nice, almost like a neptune system but probably not near the price?

Is there a way to use probes in that software?, so you could monitor your water peramiters?  Was it easy to install?

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Very nice. Is there a cost for the internet service?
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The install was real simple and the nice thing about this program is that one can write scripts in Visual Basic and Java to integrate probes hooked up to serial and usb ports. DrDaq http://www.drdaq.com/ could be one of those devices. You could measure PH, temp etc. using this device. You could also trigger events like turning off/on a kalk drip or co2 supply to a ca reactor depending on the Ph.

This program also knows the sunset and sunrise times depending on your lat/longitude coordinated, so you could mimic the sunrise/sunset effect at a reef on the equator. There are scripts people have written that mimic lunar cycle as well. check it out http://board.homeseer.com/showthread.php?t=88581&highlig ht=moonrise The possibilities are endless.

Im eventually going to use this program to automate my home. It is very powerful and flexible.

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Piston, the DNS forwarding service is free through www.no-ip.com the webpage is hosted on my home computer and goes through my cablemodem via  a router. I do however, pay for comcast high speed internet (I was paying for it anyways).

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Is your water temp really at 89 degrees? Thats what the website says.
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Nope, my second probe is saying 81F, I think Im having some issues with the probe.. The MH lights seem to cause some kind of an interference (probably electromagnetic) that causes erratic readings. It only happens when the MH lights turn off or on. IT usually stabilizes after a while though.



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Now your water temp say's 72 egrees is that right?
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Nope, the temp probe is having problems. I dont know whats up . I do have a backup probe (not attached to the computer) and a digital readout on my thermometer . Both are usually hovering around 78-80 F, so im not really too worried about the readings.  Im still thinking that the high current draw from the MH bulbs has someting to do with it.

As of right now, its at 78F (MH lights off)so it seems to be working fine.



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how much was your startup cost.  I have a pc that is would be perfect to hook something like this up to.
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The single most expensive part of the whole project was the homeseer software. Other than that the X10 modules are fairly cheap ~$20 a piece. You can get a kit for about $100 taht includes the computer serial interface and the appliance modules. I already had the temperature module that I assembled myself ($30). Electronics is my other hobby and im always spending on "cool" stuff that I dont need. This time I can actually use this stuff.

BTW. you can dload the Homeseer software for free and try it out for 30 days. Also there is a Linux and windows based MisterHouse software available for free under GNU lisence. That is a little more trickey to setup but is very equivalent to Homeseer. heres a link http://misterhouse.sourceforge.net/  You can significantly cut down the cost if you use this software instead.

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Finally got the temperature readings to stabalize. The current draw fron the lights was causing the problems. I had to rout the power to the sensor from a differnet outlet and it works great now. All the other controls are running great as well.

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Asad, is your PC in the same room as your tank?  My PC is upstairs in a different corner of the house, about 40 ft. away if I could go straight through the walls and floor.  Is there a way for me to use my PC where it is?  I have a wireless router that can reach down there.  (My Xbox is in the same room as my tank, and I can play online with it through my router.)

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rstruhs, In my case the computer is siting right next to the tank. However, you can put it anywhere else as long as all the x10 stuff (receivers and transmitter) is hooked up to the same "segment" power outlet (same breaker). You can connect the temp sensors to a phone cord or better yet a cat5 cable and run it long distance. If you go with the same temperature kit Im using, you might have to connect a .1UF cap to the power and ground on the sensor to minimize noise. I can give you details if you need them.
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This is so cool.  Imagine having kalk drip, pH stabilizer, even phyto, all hooked up to electrically-controlled dosers.  Awesome.  You could feed your tank from anywhere, even while on vacation.  I've heard of a wired home before, but this is a step above that.
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Biodork, the system has been running my tank for a month and a half and its great. I can add additional modules that are connected to a dosing pump and dose from anywhere i have internet access. I will implement a webcam on it soon and maybe a PH moniter.
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What kind of motors/gears etc do you need for the autodosers?  Or can you buy a kit with all the parts?  Now all you need is a refrigerated autofeeder to hold aliquots of prime reef, etc.  
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That is a good idea biodork. Maybe a peltier cooler based refrigerator with prexied brine shrimp and an air pump that is turned on every little while for a preset time to feed. Dosing chemicals is really not hard as a small pump hooked up to the system can dose at any ferquency automatically or manually via the internet.
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