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    Posted: April 26 2012 at 8:27pm
Ok after a bunch of reading I was curious what is a better way to go . Calcium or kalkwasser?  This will be my first reactor and I have formed an opinion already but  would like to hear from others who run reactors. Thoughts and input  before i purchase would be appreciated.
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I'm a big fan of kalk reactors.  Don't know why.  Cheap.  Easy to use.  Just simple.

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IMO, all top off should be kalkwasser. It's simple, inexpensive and, well, simple. However, the addition of kalkwasser is limited to the evaporation of your tank. This amount will be sufficient until you have a large population of carbonate hungry corals. Then, you'll have to bump up to a calcium reactor or to a robust system to add a two part solution.

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Ive been reading a lot about kalk but im running a calcium reactor now. I think cal reactors are a little more accurate via the method of dosing, maybe im wrong.
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I run both.  Keeps the ph very stable.  No ups or downs.
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I have 14 sps and a few chalices etc and am constantly dosing Ca , its more expensive to set up but think it would pay for itself faster then a kalkwasser . So im still on the fence waiting to hear more of what would be the best investment for my buck . But would be open to other reactors also just need a lil more advice is all .
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Use both as Brad suggests. The calcium reactor will suppress your pH, while kalkwasser will help keep it elevated. I used both and had great results. Again, if you have an ATO, running kalkwasser is really quite simple to add.
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eventually I will run both so if I start with kalk will it help elevate my ca enough so im not always dosing ?
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All of my top off water is run thru a kalwasser reactor with the ph up around 14 
My calcium reactor effluent is dripping a ph of 6.3.  Thus keeping my ph in my display always between  8.2-8.3


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Do you have probs on all ? I only have 1 space for PH probe on aqua jr, but could always move it to check others , untill I can afford to do a upgrade to another controller. 
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Have you considered using BRS two part and a dosing pump?
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I have but just didnt like some of the reviews I have read about lower end pumps and if I'm going to drop some cash on higher end pumps think a few reactors might be more economical in the long run . Let me know if I'm off base with my thinking ...
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Originally posted by Akira Akira wrote:

I have but just didnt like some of the reviews I have read about lower end pumps and if I'm going to drop some cash on higher end pumps think a few reactors might be more economical in the long run . Let me know if I'm off base with my thinking ...<!-- bmi_SafeAddOnload(bmi_load,"bmi_orig_img",0);//-->


I like the results of dosing two part A LOT more then a calacium reactor. Its also super cheap to dose two part if you get it from BRS and mix it yourself.

Jump on one of the group buys and for $67 bucks you will have enough calcium, alk, and magnesium to last you damn near forever. I go through way more then most people would in a day because of how stocked my tank is and I still havent bought another batch in over a year and also have about half of the powder left.
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Then to automate the process get the Marine Magic dosing pump which is great. I know a few people who love theirs, and I set one up on a family member tank and it has worked perfectly. Just a couple weeks ago I ordered another one for me. They take 3 to 6 or more weeks to get there after you order so order it sooner then later. You can't order these if you are in a pinch, so plan accordingly.   
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I got mine for $130 dollars PLUS they included a free replacement pump head. All you have to do is offer them $120 with the make and offer feature ebay now has. They then countered my offer with the $130 + the free $20 replacement pump head. Pretty sweet deal if you ask me.   

So for basically $200 you can have an automated dosing system that will also be your Mag that will last you a really really long time and will give you amazing results.



Edited by Laird - April 28 2012 at 4:59am
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You could also use a dosing pump fit top off, with kalkwasser. I think I'm likingbthatnidea more and more actually.
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I also use two part dosing pumps and love it.
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It seems the trend is going away from the Calcium reactor and Kalk reactors and going towards the 2 part and dosing pumps. I'm in the same boat, trying to figure out what i want to do. I currently drip kalk at night, but I'm tired of setting that up every night. I like tileman's kalk reactor, it is about 3 feet tall and so it can go for a long time with out having to add new kalk. there is also a post on another thread about using a bucket with an aqualifter and a garden dripper to dose the kalk, I just ordered an aqualifter off the group buy and I'm going to try that.
I already have a dosing pump but have not set it up, and am thinking of getting a calcium reactor and maybe using all three at some point.

I am having a hard time keeping my pH up, although I am wondering if my pH probe is going out, a few months ago it was reading 8.5, (calibrated the probe and it read 8.1) now it is 7.9. (ordered a new probe off the group buy too) so I have been dripping kalk to keep pH up.

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"I drip Kalk (usually in the form of pickling lime) mixed with vinegar. I fill an Oceanic bucket with water put in 1/2cup kalk and 1.5cups of vinegar drop an old maxijet in to mix it for a few minutes with the lid sitting on top the bucket. I then unplug the pump and give it a few more minutes to settle and the water to be mostly clear a agian. Then I take an aqua lifter with airline tubing connected drop the suction line in the bucket (try to keep the line off the bottom) and run the other line to your sump. I have a micro valve from a sprinkler drip system connected so I can control the drip. The aqua lifter then just sits onto top the lid. It is best to have the lid covering the bucket as best as possible! I also have my aqua lifter plugged into the same time as my sump light. I use this setup to dose both my 210 and my 55 at the same time."
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Your topic got my attention. I don't think of it as one vs the other. They each have specific purposes and their purposes overlap. I commend you for asking and finding the input from these very experienced and excellent hobbyists.
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I also use the 2-part w/dosing pump, and kalk in my ATO reservoir. I love it! Just got back from a 7-day vacation and everything is still peachy :)
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I've loved my calcium reactor. Before upgrading, it ran on our 90G for close to 15 yrs. trouble free. Set it and forget it. However, now that it's on our 265, I'm still trying to get it dialed in. Keeping my Alk up has been a challenge. I've added Kalk to the mix (not necessarily through my top off but a 5G gravity fed drip). Since adding the Kalk, my coralline has gone crazy- back glass is almost a solid sheet and rocks are covered with beautiful red and purple hues. Have you made any decisions yet?
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when i get close to running out of the chemicals I have going to try running dosing pumps with 2 part , if I dont like that I will get reactors .
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