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    Posted: January 02 2010 at 8:58pm
I had this idea that I could use a string of LED multi-colored Christmas lights to light a Nano tank. When I went to get one at Walmart they were all sold so I bought some replacement bulbs.
 
It appears that LED Christmas lights connect directly in parallel to 110 AC. Is this correctQuestion
 
I have removed the lamps from their holders and connected them as several bundles of 8 LED's with the two opposite sets of leads crimped in butt end connectors waiting to be hooked up to power. Smile
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I use a string of blue xmastree led's for my DIY moonlights. They work awesome, but look pretty silly. But hey, 5 bucks at walmart, so what.
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Hi Mark,
 
LED's are current sensitive more than voltage sensitive. Different manufacturers use different methods of limiting the current from resisters to special drivers designed to deliver the correct current. So without knowing just how the current is being limited it is difficult to advise how to wire up the Christmas LED lights. Here is an article with lots of info on using and repairing Christmas LED lights. http://www.ciphersbyritter.com/RADELECT/LITES/LEDLITES.HTM
 
These lights can be useful for moon lighting but probably won't be useful in lighting the tank for coral growth.
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Thanks for the link. I guess I didn't check close enough, because according to that article, the LED's are in series not parallel. Probably the easiest way for me to set up my little experiment since I already connected these in parallel would be to find a ~3VDC transformer or to continue looking in the stores for a mini string of multicolored LED's.
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Hi Mark,
 
Do you want the LED lighting for accent lighting or as the main lighting for the tank? When I recover financially from the holidays I am going to build a LED fixture for my Clown Tank so I have been gathering some info on what is required.
 
If you are only looking for Accent Lighting then the Christmas Light Idea would be a good project but if you want to put enough light on the tank to grow corals you need to look at High Output LED's.
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As always, I use sunlight wherever feasible. It's sunlight that grows the tank but I'm seeking an attractive, color popping supplemental light for when the sun goes down.
This is a ~3 gal tall hex tank with a small footprint. The light fixture holds just one screw in bulb. Unfortunately the light I am seeking does not exist in the twist PC bulb industry and is certainly not available in the cheap incandescent aquarium bulbs. I am looking for the effect that I get when using 2 UVL Super Actinics with one Actinic White/plant grow tube. As you can see from my new avatar, even the expensive plant grow LED's are too red for our liking and the products available to the reef hobby are still trying to duplicate the blue-white color wash-out effect that has been too prevalent for too long.Smile
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Interesting. If you don't want to light the tank for growth check out these replacement bulbs from environmental lights. They screw right into a C7 or C9 socket and run off the mains power so you don't have to worry about current limiting circuits.
 
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this guy has been using these and getting decent results, i doubt there is any appreciable par but if your supplementing with natural sunlight you might be ok,
 
Real lighting option is the evil LED spotlight, $120 but only 20 watts and good par output,
posted it on JHAMB's thread.
 
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Originally posted by dew2loud1 dew2loud1 wrote:

...supplementing with natural sunlight...
LOL In most of my tanks natural sunlight is the main light and all else is supplemental.Wink
have you ever noticed how reef tanks that are anywhere near a window respond as much or more to the diurnal and seasonal influence of the sun than to the artificial illumination. Coral and fish start to go go into night mode when the sun goes down and awaken at sunrise. Sunlight, even indirect sunlight has much more power than we give it credit.
 
Thanks for the suggestions but neither of those are it. A single color LED in the screw in socket or the Blue-White  LED's do not provid the vivid blues,reds, greens, yellows, and purples color popping appearance that is currently possible with fluorescent lights.
Haven't you seen the difference between the way a 50/50 (white/blue) fluorescent washes out color versus the vivid colors brought out in a combination of UVLighting Co. Actinic White and Super Actinic. One of the reasons T5's are becoming popular is that they allow a combination of several tube colors (blue, actinic, pink, etc.) to provide the spectrum for growth and yet make colors pop-pop. Funny, right now my wife and I are watching Mary Poppins on DVD. Big smile The colors absolutely pop! Big smile It's something quite atrocious!
 
I'm still looking for assistance in wiring the LED's
 
Now that's what I'm talkin 'bout:
 


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Mark,

Wiring and controlling LED's is much different than traditional bulbs. With most other bulbs we are concerned with the wattage of the bulb. LED's are controlled by the current or amperage allowed to flow through them. LED's generally use a driver that supplies a constant current through the circuit to control the bulb.
 
LED's are generally connected in series for single strings and then strings are connected in parallel. Check out this site http://www.ledsupply.com/. It is a good starting point for learning about wiring up your own LED's and how they work. Additionally the Lighting forum on Nano-Reef.com has lots of good information.
 
LED Christmas lights are a little different. There are full strands of LED's that are permanently secured to their wiring and then there are retrofit bulbs that can be simply screwed into a standard C7 or C9 light string. These retrofit bulbs have the controlling circuit integrated into each bulb so a driver is not required. The retrofit bulbs are probably the easiest to experiment with because you can simply screw them into the appropriate socket and attach them to mains power.
 
If you do a search for LED Wall Washers you will find LED fixtures that use Red Blue and Green LED's and a DMX controller to create any of 16 million colors of light. They can be incredibly bright. I used a similar fixture with White Only LED's to light a wall on the outside of our medical clinic. The 40 Watt fixture brightly lights a semi-circular wall 45' tall.
 
If I were going to experiment with different colored LED's simply for night time illumination of a small tank I would just pick up a standard C7 Christmas Light String and buy several retrofit bulbs from a place like environmentallights.com. You can get them in White, Warm White, Green, Blue, Red, and Amber. Just cut down the string of lights to the number of bulbs you want to use and then attach the bulbs in whatever combination you wish.
 
If you are serious about making a real LED fixture then you will need to buy a heat sink, some high power LED's a driver or buck puck, then figure out how much current you will be needing to power your LED's and create the proper circuit. It's a little more complicated than just wiring them up in series and plugging them in.
 
I am getting ready to build an LED fixture for my Clown tank using Cree XR-E LED's, a 5" x 16" Heat Sink and a Meanwell ELN-60-48D AC dimming driver. I was considering only using white and blue LED's but putting them on different circuits so I can adjust the intensity of the whites and blues independently. I'll be retrofitting the fixture into a 20" Coarlife fixture. After seeing the difference adding red and green spectrum lights can make I am now considering adding some of them as well but this will add to the cost of the fixture because I want to drive each color independently which means I will have to buy a Meanwell driver for each circuit.
 
Well thats probably more than you wanted to know about setting up LED's. When I first started looking into building a fixture I thought it would be simple as wiring a few together but have found that its a lot more complicated than that especially if you want to have independent control of each color.
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Burt. when you build this light, would you be willing to put your efforts into a detailed build thread with pictures? I think many of us would really like to follow that.
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I planned to do that. It may be a while before my budget and schedule allow me to put it together but I will definately post a build thread when I do.

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