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    Posted: April 10 2003 at 11:29am

After seeing the moon lights from last meeting, I thought I might try a diy version.  I was searching around for adequate LEDs and came across this:

http://dkc3.digikey.com/PDF/T031/1081.pdf   These LEDs are replacement "bulbs" for automobile signal lights and instrument panels.  And they're very bright.  They also operate at 12 volts which is nice since my hood fan is 12 volt too (and I wouldn't have to wire in resistors if using normal LED Vf=3.5volt).  Check out item 441-1007-ND (7000 mcd!).

Anyway, this got me thinking that the auto parts store might carry this sort of stuff so I went to Checker and checked :).  I bought a LED conversion kit for the rear licence plate bolts.  The kit contains two VERY bright blue LEDs with wire leads and a switch all for only $7.  Checker didn't have any info on the peak wavelength for the LEDs (the guy behind the counter looked at me like I was crazy...he's right of course).  I tried them last night on my tank and they must be 470 nm or close to it cause my corals fluoreced when under the LED.  Anyway, that's pretty cheap compared to other options out there.

I'll post a pic when I get home tonight...

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I am very interested to see the pics of you led project. I just built a battery operated one while I was bored at work. I used a radio shack led 3.7v for $3.99 Then I used a 3.7v battery some wire shrink tube and pipe cleaner to give it that flexible feel. Let me know if you want to see pics of it. If your led is a 12v then it is allot easier to find a power source.
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Seems to be a bunch of people over at RC interested in the same thing.  I haven't read all the threads but here is one to check out. http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=110662&highlight=BLUE+led

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I got some blue LEDs from http://www.superbrightleds.com yesterday, got a project box and resistors from Radio Shack, and a power supply from work and hooked one up last night.  I got the 15 degree beam 470nm 5500mcd models and with one bulb at 15 inches away it lights up a 4-5 inch circle fairly well, so I plan on using 4 on my small tank.  I probably should have gone with the 30 degree LED's instead of the 15 degree, but live and learn.  One good thing - the 470nm wavelength really makes corals glow, my galaxia, fuzzy mushroom, and blasto glow like mad.  I'll have some pics up tonight or tomorrow.

If anyone wants to make their own and would like a power source I have about 50 at work I will give away for free.  You would just need the resistors, one for each bulb (99 cents for 5 at Radio Shack) and the LED's.  I have 9vdc 500mA and 12vdc 300 mA.  The 12 volt supplies should power the LEDs Jon mentioned straight, the 9 volt supply is used with resistors to step the voltage down for single 3.6 volt LEDs.

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Well I tried taking pictures of the light on in my tank, but my camera is junk and it turned out way too dark.  Here's a picture of the packaging and installation.  The package comes with two LEDs and a switch.  The LEDs are mounted in the head of a bolt making installation very easy.  The effect is kinda neat...like shimmering moonlight. 

pistonfister- You can use any transformer over 3.7 volts, you just need a resistor in series with the LED.  Everyone has a wall plug transformer laying around gathering dust (it looks like Sarnack has some available if needed).  If the current for your LED is 20 mA (typical) and you're using a 12 volt power supply you'll need a (12-3.7)/0.020 = 415 ohm resistor.  So wire a 500 ohm resistor in series and it should be fine.

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I was just curious, do these so called "moon lights" do anything for the inhabitents of the tank or is it purely for aesthetic reasons (you like the way it looks)?

 

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 Do they do anything for the tank. I  am not certain but yes they look cool. I am still not covinced that the ones you pay big bucks for do anything either.
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Some claim they help to induce coral spawning?  You decide if that's a good thing or not?  I just gives me an excuse to watch my tank after the lights go out.  I know, for me, it's just a novelty and will be used less and less as the novelty wears off.

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You may want to coat the exposed metal with Aquarium Silicone. Even stainless steel will corrode.
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Yup, coating the metal with silicone's not a bad idea.  BTW, it's worse then stainless, it's chrome.
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Neonlicious, hahahaha that's funny.

How about ghetto bootie licious.

 

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Wow, I have missed a lot of posts while making a moonlight with Danny for his tank... Here is a picture of his tank under the new moonlight.  I'll post pictures of the setup and how it looks on my tank tomorrow night *yawn*

 

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Once again, here is a topic I have tried to avoid, but now I'll make my comment.  Since so many of you seem interested in moon lights, I will give you some inside info.  In two weeks a new type of moon light will be released for public trials, and once again, we may be getting one here for our club.  I won't tell you how it works (to keep the surprise) but I'll let you know that it doesn't have an LED.  It doesn't have any type of bulb!

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Is it like the flat nightlights? I took one of those and wired it to an outlet a few years ago. One nightlight wasn't as bright as the image above but it looked good. if you took a couple of those, pugged them into a cheap multi-outlet extension cord, you'd have the same thing for about $10

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Mark,

I have heard of people using the indiglo nightlights as well but I dont think they make the corals glow like these LEDs.  Also with LED's you get the nice glitter lines.  And the light was built from about 12 bucks in supplies.

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That's cool, and from the look of the image, the effect is neat.
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 I seriously wonder if there is a benifit or not to running a moonlight. I friend of mine was arguing a piont with me. He said if you have a moon light then you shouldnt run it every night because the moon isnt out every night. Well He had a piont I guess you could go out and get a bunch of differant sized leds and simulate the lunar cylce but that still leaves the first question do these ( any on the market)  moonlights have any benifit besides looking cool. If they dont then you could run any led or light night light like Mark said and call it good. 

jfinch, Are you running just a strait 12v power supplie to the leds you bought ?

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Quote: Originally posted by pistonfister on 13 April 2003

 I seriously wonder if there is a benifit or not to running a moonlight. I friend of mine was arguing a piont with me. He said if you have a moon light then you shouldnt run it every night because the moon isnt out every night. Well He had a piont I guess you could go out and get a bunch of differant sized leds and simulate the lunar cylce but that still leaves the first question do these ( any on the market)  moonlights have any benifit besides looking cool. If they dont then you could run any led or light night light like Mark said and call it good. 

jfinch, Are you running just a strait 12v power supplie to the leds you bought ?


I have no idea if they benifit the corals or not.  I put it in just for fun so I could watch everthing come out at nite and crawl around :)  The LED is nice because it peaks at 470 nm making the coral glow in the light, not sure the plug in the wall night indiglo night lights would do the same.

Yes, the LED (I'm only running one...it's a 20 gal tank) wire leads are connected directly to a 12 volt power supply.  Upon closer inspection of the LED I found that there is a resistor wired in series.  It's essentually the same thing Sarnak is doing.  I liked my "ghetto bootie licious" package 'cause the LEDs were mounted in a bolt which made for easy installation in my hood (see earlier picture).  The picture Sarnak posted is what mine looks like too, the shimmer is incredible!

Sarnak, how are you installing in the hood?

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On Danny's tank the power goes up to a box mounted in the center of his canopy, this is where the resistors are, then from that box there are 2 ethernet cables that go to each side of the tank and mount to the sides of the canopy with a sticky pad zip tie holder thingy. 

Also Radio shack has some LED holders almost identical to the ones that came on yours.  I think they were like a buck and a half for 2 of them.

I mounted mine last night but I didnt have enough room to do the same thing, so I think I will drill holes in my reflectors and mount the bulbs there with the screw-in type connectors like you have.

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I have also seen LEDs at Radio Shack that simply press in. There is a small "keeper" tab molded into the plastic. You drill a hole and route the wires through, connect to the LED and press wires and LED back into the hole. Used them as brake lights on a sandrail back in the day ...
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