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    Posted: February 17 2006 at 1:50pm

Why do you think these corals are so colorful with only 10K lighting? 

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sadly that doesn't look anything like a reel reef of any kind to me   that is like calling a veggie burger a hamburger, everyone knows the difference...  anywho, the colors are great but i don't think that tank is even attractive.

its certainly not the kind of tank i'm hoping to have with my new 180... (not to say mine will be any more "real" reef like)




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I can't get into reefcentral from work, but personally I think the spectrum of the bulbs you have is only one of many factors influencing coral coloration.

If the colony was collected from shallow water, I would think it would retain it's natural coloration with 10K (or even 6500K Iwasakis) and will darken up under 14/20K bulbs.  Likewise with corals collected from deeper water.  They'll lighten up under more intense 10/6.5K lighting.

Also I think one of the biggest influences on coral coloration is water quality.  Doesn't matter what lighting you have if you water quality is poor.

There's a huge, somewhat argumentative, thread on RC which Eric Borneman participated in regarding lighting.  Eric posted pictures of one of his tanks lit by Iwasaki 6500 K bulbs (I don't even think there was any actinic supplementation).  His tank was stunning!  He was of the opinion that intensity was more important then spectrum and water quality was paramount.

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ha, didn't even read the RC thread before i posted...  where other people make the same complaint as me!
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dnellans,

When I saw it I kind of thought of the same thing you said before reading what you had posted, but it is cool.  but my curosity lies in what are you planning to do with your new 180?  and why do you think that tank doesn't look like a "real reef."  I know the reasons why I don't think it does, but I curious to see if our opinions match.  I seem to think many of us just throw corals into our tanks because we like how they look, i.e. color, shape, but I'm interested as to how you will try to make yours different than the majority of tanks out there.  Most tanks have big mixes of corals, sps on top/ lps in the middle/ softies on the bottom/ clams on the bottom, (which is like that guys tank) which I must agree is nothing like a real reef.  I have some ideas of how to move away from this trend, but enlighten me.  What are some of your's and other's suggestions to move away from this thinking of a mixed reef?

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oh and i agree, not that I'm an expert, with jfinch that water clarity is at least one reason why the colors are so good.  I have been reading a bunch on this topic lately and everyone, borneman, calfo, say the same things about having really really good water quality.  I just wish I had good water quality.



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I would hazard to say that tanks under more intense 6500-10k lighting tend to bring out the "true" colors of SPS... whereas tanks under less intense lighting with more blue spectrum (14-20k) are artificially colored due to the natural fluorescence of the coral.

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Oh - and what coral in that link? I couldnt get past the sweet clams in the sand bed...
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Originally posted by dnellans dnellans wrote:

sadly that doesn't look anything like a reel reef of any kind to me   that is like calling a veggie burger a hamburger, everyone knows the difference...  anywho, the colors are great but i don't think that tank is even attractive.

its certainly not the kind of tank i'm hoping to have with my new 180... (not to say mine will be any more "real" reef like)


Dave, you need to be quiet.  You sound just like me!   
I agree that many tanks look better, but I'm really surprised in the colors without the blue lights.

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Are those their "wild" colors? If so maybe they are shallow water SPS. If its
not their wild colors then they probably adapted to the spectrum by
shedding or growing new zooxanthelae. I am probably all ack basswards
in my thinking...
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I agree with everything Jon said.
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Originally posted by Jake Pehrson Jake Pehrson wrote:

I agree with everything Jon said.


I'll second that and add high water movement as a likely factor. Although you may consider water movement a sub-set of water quality.
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I noticed that the greens were subdued and the red of the Flame Angel and the orange tail of the Achilles Tang were fluorescent. IMO these pics have been enhanced.
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I think the colors are great but I also think they may have worked the photo
a bit to bring them out even more than they should be. Look at the page it
was on Looks to me like some PS was done. Just
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You guys are nuts!  That's a beautiful reef tank (even if the photos are doctored).
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Your right it is really cool, and you have to give the guy props for spending all that time (or money) on keeping it that nice.

 

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The color is unbelievable.  If you guys follow the thread towards the end, it says that the tank just crashed recently (the chiller malfunctioned when the owner was out of town).  What a sad news!

With regard to wether the tank is beautiful or not, I  think the tank is very beautiful.  Granted, it doesn't resemble a real reef, but still very attractive, in a "flower festival" kind of way.  I don't know if this exists for saltwater but for freshwater planted tank, there are two aquascaping schools: "Dutch" vs "Japanese".  Dutch school focuses on the neat, compact arrangement of plants of contrasting colors and leafshape, whereas Japanese school emphasizes nature in its compostion of the tank.

Regardless, you have to give the owner props for maintaining such exquisite colors and massive growths.


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Originally posted by jfinch jfinch wrote:

You guys are nuts!  That's a beautiful reef tank (even if the
photos are doctored).


Not saying I don't like I actually love it and would like my tank to look like it.
To me part of the reason I got into salt water was for color. I think he has
great colors even without PS on any of the photos just think they may have
used some PS to help out the color.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Suzy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2006 at 8:48am
Wow! Check out all that sexy pink!!

I think this tank is a gorgeous example of applying terrestrial gardening
techniques to our underwater gardens. When we plan our terrestrial
gardens, most of us are not thinking how to make it more natural
looking. We want breathtaking, eye catching color, right?

If we wanted our tanks to look natural, we would add one or two corals,
some rock, some algae and a school of the same type of fish!

Reef tanks are not about creating a natural reef! it's about finding exotic,
colorful and fansy-pansy specimens, right?

I have a 10k over my reef, and the actinic VHOs went out. I'm thinking
maybe not replacing it?
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