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    Posted: March 10 2011 at 12:03am
SO I turned my Red sea max into a seahorse tank. Normally the tank sits between 76-78 but 78 is the max the horses should be kept at so I think I need to find a way to cool the tank. I would love to get a chiller but don't have the $300 to drop on it.
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When my house gets above 65 degrees, my tank heats up to 78-80 degrees once all the lighting is on. I use a variable speed clip on fan over my sump (I also have a small box fan in the canopy, which is used year around). When my Halides kick on, so do the fans. Has worked great for many years. Cheap and easy!
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Did you get the cooling fan that clips into the back of the RSM. That will help with the circulation of air under the hood but I had to get a chiller for my parents tank. They keep the house at 76 so keeping the RSM under 80 to 82 was impossible without opening the top or using a chiller. The RSM just doesn't look right with the top open all the time and that's what you will need to get enough air circulating under the hood.
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Originally posted by DLindquist DLindquist wrote:

When my house gets above 65 degrees, my tank heats up to 78-80 degrees once all the lighting is on. I use a variable speed clip on fan over my sump (I also have a small box fan in the canopy, which is used year around). When my Halides kick on, so do the fans. Has worked great for many years. Cheap and easy!


Its for my Redsea Max so a normal fan won't work:) Thank you though!
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Originally posted by bfessler bfessler wrote:

Did you get the cooling fan that clips into the back of the RSM. That will help with the circulation of air under the hood but I had to get a chiller for my parents tank. They keep the house at 76 so keeping the RSM under 80 to 82 was impossible without opening the top or using a chiller. The RSM just doesn't look right with the top open all the time and that's what you will need to get enough air circulating under the hood.


It has the extra fan already but when my husband checked it out last night it wasn't very strong so I think I will order a new one and see if that helps. We keep our house below 70. I just really don't want to buy a chiller but I may have to with summer coming. Although we keep our house pretty cool with the A/C

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I took my fans out and cleaned the blades really good. That helped a little, but high temps in the summer are hard to get away from with the RSM.

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Assuming that you have already chosen to remove any heater, why not break open (cut out?) the back of the hood over the refugium area and point a fan at it? The angle of a fan to the water and setting it on it's own timer or to come on with the lights is the easy way to adjust the temperature.


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With my bc29 I had major heat issues with the original pc lighting, and had to open both lids on the hood.  I swapped to led, and I still have to keep one open or I get enough condensation on the hood to start forming salt creep on all the edges of the tank.  

An extra fan or two mounted in the back of the hood would help a ton I'm sure on your RSM (since it's similarly enclosed like my bc29), especially if one pulls the other pushes air over the water
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Originally posted by Mark Peterson Mark Peterson wrote:

Assuming that you have already chosen to remove any heater, why not break open (cut out?) the back of the hood over the refugium area and point a fan at it? The angle of a fan to the water and setting it on it's own timer or to come on with the lights is the easy way to adjust the temperature.
 
Unless you remove the skimmer there is no refugium section in a RSM 130D and dissecting the back of the hood in this case would be a bad idea IMO. You could remove the hinge pins that hold the back lid in place and remove the top cover that conceals the skimmer and point a fan down at the water traveling through the filter system but it wouldn't look very nice.
 
Is the RSM in an area where appearance is a concern?


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I agree with Burt dissecting the hood..bad. However if you could find something to keep the hood cracked open about an inch, that would help and maybe you could get a fan directed under that opening. Then the lid could be closed......Appearance is what RSM is all about. A closed hood is a heating nightmare. I use to keep the lid on mine open all summer. It helps a little. Mine was in our upstairs kitchen so I never seen anything near 78 deg in the summer. Always 80+. I looked at everything in order to keep the appearance nice. So for my new RSM 250 my first purchase was a chiller.
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My opinion: Drill it for a sump. The back pane of the RSM is just painted glass. Nick did it awhile back when he was keeping seahorses. Then you can have a fuge (which will be critical for your seahorses) a better skimmer, and a fan to cool the tank.
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^^ditto^^....probably cheaper than getting a chiller as well.....
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I vote for drilling as well. I just drilled mine you are welcome to use my hole saws if you want.
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Actually the guy that had it before me ran lines from the chiller ports down to a sump, I just used that sump in my 75g to seed it and get it going faster. So I will get a sump put together for under it again and see if that will do it. Thanks guys!
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If you're good with soldering and electronics, you can build yourself a thermoelectric cooler. You may need a few depending on your tank size. What you can do to build it though.... You can get a TE device for about 12-30 dollars. You'll need a power supply, and a heat sink. Its a possiblity to get a cpu heatsink with a fan for heat dispursion. Then theres a few ways to mount the cooling side of the device to something to cool. You can get a piece of thin aluminum and connect a small pipe full of water to cool and insert the pipe into your aquarium or sump and the thermal gradient should move the water or you could power the movement somehow. You may also just insert an aluminum block into the water through a hole in the back of a HOB after connecting it to the cooling side of the TE. This can be reproduced for multiple units.
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Great idea but have you used it?
My guess is that it would take too many of those units to be useful and then it would be impractical, plus, I'm not about to suggest Aluminum in the tank water.

Evaporative cooling is just too easy and cheap.Smile


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If you do the heat sink thing, I would suggest using this one or one similar.

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You dont need aluminum, that was a suggestion. You could use ceramic or something else as that Iceprobe uses. I dont see you needing to cool your water more than a 3-4 degrees unless your house temps get into the 90's. You could figure out how much cooling you'd need to drop the temperature of the water by 4 degrees over a period of about 4 hours (to maintain the current temp). Doin the thermo calculations, you'd need two Iceprobes to keep 20 gallons of water at the same temperature if that temp were to raise 1 degree over an hour. That's assuming a large error though considering the air temperature needs to change the temperature of the water through glass which is a decent thermal insulator. So the rise in temperature i stated may be a bit over blown for most cases.
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