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    Posted: October 09 2005 at 11:27pm

Friends:

I am a newby to the forum and into the Saltwater era for about a year now and the subject i need help on is the water i am puting into my tank.

I want to buy an RO/DI filtration system but when I do water changes i have been mixing my salt in a 5 gallon bucket with tap water wile adding cycle and prime to each fill.  I have a 55 gal tank and this was the way i was taught.

With RO/DI, there is minimal pressure for the way that i have been mixing.  Do you A. fill some plastic jugs you would get from a water store with an RO system and stock them up for future water changes or B. fill the buckets with the salt and let it slowly fill? the later question would need to be followed up by what is the temp of the water. Too cold?  Or am i aproching this stuff all wrong?

Is 15 Gallons too much for a water change? Should i be doing gravel vacs all the time?

YALL!!! Give me your ideas please.  Im a sea sponge at this point. I need help. and while i read these forum i am also reading a book called Marine Reef Aquarium Handbook by. DR Robert J. Goldstein.  is this a reputible book or sudgestions?


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I fill a container with ro/di water.  Heat it, aerate it, add the appropriate amount of salt , aerate it some more and then add it to the tank.


15  gallons is almost 30%, I wouldn't  do more than  20% a week.  IMO

I think  a gravel vac once a month is enough. 
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Am i supposed to do water changes every week?  that was one a month. 

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I do them every week 20%. With my RO/DI I turn it on in the bucket and
when it gets over the heater I turn the heat on. When it's full and up to temp
I add salt and and check for salinity. I aerate over night and then add to the
tank. I also vac about once a month. Some people don't.



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I mix and aerate the night before... A waterchange as often as I remember(I've gone 6 months with no real appearant problems, but suggest a smaller 10% change on a weekly basis).
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May want to also read this about water chang
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-10/rhf/index.php



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Rizzle,

I have a 7 gallon container that I store my RO in until I need water for waterchanges or top off. I normally refill the container twice a week. When I mix my salt I'll wait anywhere from a hour to four days to use it(keeping it circulating)

 

The habit I've found myself getting into is

2g every other week for my 7g with a 4g change every other month

2g every week on my 18g with an extra 2g every third week

I don't really change the water too often in my 36g... but I'll say 4-8g every  three months

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I have about 450g of water between my 2 tanks.  If I changed 10% per week, I would go crazy and broke.  I'm lucky if I do a change once or twice a year.
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I do water changes when I have time, but I shoot for at least once a month. 15% - 20%. I buy premix from Aquatic Dreams because I don't have the time to sit there stirring. I have never vac'ed my substrate. I have plenty of hermits and snails that take care of it for me. But, I am a little more laid back than alot of reefers around. Do what makes you comfortable.

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On average, 10% per month is a sufficient water change. Up to a 30% water change can be mixed and dumped in immediately, if it's stirred and sloshed and aerates as it goes into the tank. I do it all the time. IMO, people make too much trouble of this.

Many people do water changes more often than 10% per month because they keep a lot of water polluters and/or trace element users, yet those same tanks could just as easily go 2-4 months without a water change and be just fine.

When mixing salt in tap water, you didn't need to use Prime or Cycle. The stores got your money there.  There is no harm in using tap water unless you have some fancy coral.

Buy a 24 gpd bare bones R.O. unit (around $100 at MSM). Hook it up and and fill the bucket. Mix the salt and dump it in the aquarium. If the water is pretty close to room temperature, that's all that's needed.

Gravel vacumming is not necessary, but can be useful in moderation in sections every six months. It depends on the way you set up the tank, the kinds of organisms, the amount of feeding....

No tank is the same. The same methods don't work the same for everyone. Please tell us about your tank so we can offer advice more specific to your aquarium's needs.



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MARK!!

Hi,  you asked...

No tank is the same. The same methods don't work the same for everyone. Please tell us about your tank so we can offer advice more specific to your aquarium's needs.

Ok here it goes....

I have a glass 55. starting from the top and going down my lighting consists of a coralife 4x65lunar.  lights are timed as follows.  The 2 Actinic come on @ 8am.  Then @10am the 10,000k comeon with the Actinic.  @8pm the 10,000k goes off and then @ 10pm the Actinic goes off and the LUNAR lights are on untill the 8am start.

a coralife 125 protein skimmer that I have on all the time exept for 4hrs of feeding the phytoplankton on sunday the iodine on wednesday and calcium on friday. 

1 hagen 402 powerhead with a filter on it, aimed mostly toward the live rock and coral.

the water goes from one little box and siponed into another box with a round cilinder foam filter.  that box down to thes Blue BIOBALLS. then gets pumped out after a square filter with a aquavia 2600.  ( how often should I clean these filters? ).

I have about 30-40 lbs of Live figi and some other rock. 1 with 2 redish brownish mushrooms same one startin brown polups.

2 forms of soft coral  1 is green and looks like a brockley tree  and 1 that has yellow pollups in it.

fish wise i have 1 yellow tang, 1 (nemo) clown I think its called percula. 1 green Brittle star fish, 1 green Carpet anemone that hasnot been looking healthy.  baught him basketball size and now he is baseball and sometimes golfball sized.  clown never goes in there.  aboout 20 hermit crabs 10 quarter sized turbo snails and 2 bumble bee snails.

I do gravel vac once a month and about 15 gal of water change then as well.  I just top off with unsalted tap.

should i be cleaning the pump for the protien skimmer once a month? or is that excesive.

It does ger green fast.  I do have a lot of purple and green but very little red in my algee.  is this due to the tap water?  HELP

Thank you my friends,  Rhine


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If I inherited that tank:

I'd stop messing with the sand and make sure there is enough of it.

I'd use R.O. water for top-off and 10% monthly water changes.

I'd add macroalgae to filter the water, provide food for the Tang and hiding places/food for bugs.

I'd remove the filter sponge from the powerhead and the sump.

I'd only worry about the pump to the skimmer when it started to slow.

I'd add a piece or two of LR from a real nice reef tank (moved in water, not letting it touch air).

I'd ask a hobbyist with a real nice reef tank if I could have their water from a water change and put it all in my tank.

I'd add a quart of LS from a real nice reef tank.

I'd remove the carpet anemone, in hopes of saving it. I'd give it to the hobbyist of the tank that I got the LS, LR, or LW from.

I'd remove the bioballs and make that little sump into an RDP Refugium with a bright little light growing macroalgae, or get a new sump that could be better utilized as a Refugium.

I'd get more soft coral and maybe an LPS coral or two and then add some more fish, feeding them Garlic Oil, in their meaty foods, to prevent illness.

That's what I'd do if I inherited that tank.



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WOW I am really messing things up here huh? 

What is an RDP Refugium? or what type of sump would you suggest?

I do feed the clown and tang spectrium pellets twice a week( sorry i forgot to include).

were is a list of abbreviated words.  I get the LR/ LS but im missing out on LW?

I have crushed coral as a substrate.  Do i want to get rid of that and go with a live sand?  and if so what kind and were to buy?

Thanks you guys are awesome!!!!

 


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RDP= reverse day light photo period
LW= Live water
If you get a cup or two from other reefers of sand and water you sand will
become live sand.



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Are you testing your water?

If so, what are your params?

Listen to Mark and your tank will make a turn around!

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Go to the link below to find the meaning for the acronyms/abreviations used in the hobby:

  http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4866& PN=1

That link comes from the F.A.Q.'s section of this MB(message board)

What size of particles is the crushed coral you currently have?

To start learning about RDP Refugiums go here to read the Feb. 2002 Sea Star Online. http://www.utahreefs.com/SeaStar/wmasSeaStar02Feb.pdf

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Dont get me wrong, my items are comeing arround after i replaced my flourecents that i had for 3 years.  since i replaced it with a 4x65 compact things are doing alot better.

I am testing my water weekly with teststrips.  My nitrate is on the first pink.  The nitrite is always white the other 3 alkalinity ph and hardness is always tached ( high)

Amonnia is mostly 1 from bottom and every once in a wile( week before water change).

Its a nice hobby but all these ideas?  cornfusing....

Vote  which is better and why..  crushed coral or live sand?


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crushed coral that becomes live sand! All on the size of the grains.



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