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Posted: October 26 2013 at 10:50am |
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On Wednesday I got a porcupine puffer and an Emporer angelfish, both very small. They were doing great and yesterday we notice they both have the case of the ick. I want to know what I can do to treat it, I've waited months and months to get my puffer and I really don't want to lose him especially after a few short days, I do have a few different corals in my tank such as green star polyps, Pom Pom Xenia, green zoas (all smaller frags), then 4 different types of mushrooms. Is there any treatment to do that won't wipe out all of those? And what
Can I do if my only option would wipe out the corals? I just want my fishies healthy.
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Posted: October 26 2013 at 3:46pm |
My initial thought is feed them lots of food. And do nothing else.
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Posted: October 26 2013 at 5:10pm |
Click here http://utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244 for all the amazing WMAS Reefkeeping Tips. Scroll down the page to the one about preparing for and caring for new fish, including how to help keep them from getting Ich. It's titled Adding new fish, fish training and the miracle of Garlic Oil.Aloha, Mark 
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Posted: October 27 2013 at 10:31pm |
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Thank you Adam and Mark for your replies :] I read all those links Mark and I really appreciate you posting them. I have been adding the garlic oil with their food to defrost it. I went and got my water tested and was told they were stressed out because of the electrical current in the water (or something along those lines) and purchased a probe thing for it. I just need to read up more about puffers just chilling on the sand or on a rock.
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Posted: October 27 2013 at 10:58pm |
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As Adam said... Food food food! My experience has been that if you can't quarantine, then make sure they're healthy as can be in every other aspect. Several types of food wont hurt either. Just ask BobC about how many types he and others use.
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Posted: October 27 2013 at 11:12pm |
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Will it over pollute the tank with over feeding? sorry very new to this. Today I gave them krill and mysis shrimp soak/defrosted in garlic oil.
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Posted: October 27 2013 at 11:48pm |
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It will raise the nitrates,phosphates etc, but if you're running a skimmer, carbon and doing water changes, you'll be fine.
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Posted: October 27 2013 at 11:50pm |
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Will it over pollute the tank with over feeding? sorry very new to this. Today I gave them krill and mysis shrimp soak/defrosted in garlic oil. |
There's a difference between overfeeding and multiple feedings. Smaller, multiple feedings is what I personally do.
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Posted: October 28 2013 at 10:03am |
Well said. Multiple small feedings, watching that the fish eat most everything. Is there really stray electricity in the tank? Did you test for it? IMO&E, it's better to eliminate the stray electricity than to add a grounding probe without checking. (I have never used grounding probes. In certain situations a grounding probe can actually cause problems.) It would be helpful if we could see a pic of the tank.  Garlic Oil should work within a few days. If the fish still have Ich, try a different cheap GO product. Oh and yes. Puffers do tend to take naps during the day. Have you seen how active it is at night? Aloha, Mark
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Posted: October 28 2013 at 11:25am |
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The voltage in the tank may indicate a bad heater or pump. Unplug them one at a time and find out which is bad.
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Posted: October 28 2013 at 11:50am |
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Posted: October 28 2013 at 12:07pm |
Oh you guys are pulling out the hard questions ha ha, I had my water tested on saturday at aquatic dreams and that is what I was told. I wouldn't know how to feel the voltage in the water or how to measure it. I have the skimmer, a pump, and some other things on it, how would you know whats bad if they are all working? The tank is at my boyfriends house right now, hes been teaching me all the ropes, he has been doing salt tanks for the last 8 years. Sometimes its nice to get different options because everyone learns from either trial and error or from someone else.
Mark since the tank is at my boyfriends and the lights turn off around 11ish I'm not really there to see him swimming around at night, he did tell me last night that he was swimming all over and fed him a little more. let me try to figure out how to post a picture of the tank. :]
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Posted: October 28 2013 at 12:12pm |
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Interesting they would tell you it IS stray voltage without even being at the tank. The times I've known its there was when I touched the water while also touching something grounded or plugged in. That was accidental. I wouldn't necessarily try that since there may be enough amps flowing around to harm you. Best way is to get a multi meter and put the positive in the water and the negative onto a metallic ground. Not into to your house plug though. Dont want to mistake something and kill you from the electricity.
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Posted: October 28 2013 at 10:04pm |
I would be very surprised if the grounding probe was actually needed, because stray voltage is not a common problem. Also, I doubt that AD meant to say that they could tell by the water sample that electricity was leaking into the water, rather they were just saying that they thought a grounding probe might be helpful. The reason I believe grounding probes are typically not helpful has to do with the
properties of electricity and the power source. Let me know, if you
want more detail. Testing for stray electricity is done with a voltage meter. Because the test is for AC voltage, placing the opposite probe in the ground side of a wall outlet or power strip works fine. Remove the grounding probe from the water for the test and touch the opposite voltage test probe to the grounding probe. A reading of under 40 volts is safe. Over 40 volts AC indicates a slight leakage. A reading of closer to 110 volts is a serious problem. As was said, while someone watches the meter, unplug each piece of electrical equipment one at a time. When the voltage drops to the safe zone that is the defective equipment. ..."active at night" meaning, in the dark. Sounds like the Ich may not be a problem anymore? Aloha, Mark
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Posted: October 29 2013 at 11:17am |
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They are doing good, the puffer just likes laying in the rocks, haven't seen him actually
Eating though but it appears that he's eating something off the rocks possibly?! I couldn't figure out how to upload a picture from my phone on this thread. Also where would you get the device to test the electricity?
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Posted: October 29 2013 at 11:47am |
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Radio shack has them. If you don't want to spend 30$ on something you'll use once, I have one you can borrow.
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Posted: October 29 2013 at 4:53pm |
Cell Phone pics can be emailed then uploaded here from your computer. Even quicker would be to send it to my phone, 808-345-1049. Is the Puffer eating Sponge perhaps? Has it munched on any coral? It is probably already very hungry
and needs to eat something else soon, before it turns to the coral. I would worry if my Puffer didn't
immediately attack any meaty food, especially the raw shrimp I get at
the grocery store. I cut it into pieces and keep it frozen until use.
Stick it on a toothpick and have fun feeding by hand. If the Puffer is still too bashful, use a longer stick, like a bamboo skewer. They cannot resist a wiggling morsel of shrimp.
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I wouldn't worry about this electricity thing. It's really very unlikely.
There is someone near you, probably even a neighbor that would let you
borrow their voltage meter. Also, I believe I saw a multi-tester in the Walmart
electrical department (much more affordable than Radio Shack). Aloha, Mark
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