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Topic: LED dimmer help needed > Again Posted: December 16 2016 at 8:54am |
Thanks. I believe the fixture is still good, but to see the lens condition it probably needs to be OFF. Next time I'm there I'll have to unplug it and check that.
Thanks for all your help. Aloha, Mark
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Posted: December 16 2016 at 7:03am |
If the power supply doesn't solve the problem my next suspected item would be the LED fixture and not the dimmer. I have been using that same dimmer for 6 years and never had one go out or show the symptoms you describe. After all the dimmer is just turning the power on and off very quickly it's not varying the voltage or the current like an analog type dimmer. Thus it kind of falls into that bucket of it either works or it doesn't type items. It's clearly working as described above so look elsewhere.
Is there any discoloration of the lenses over the LEDs? I had quite a few LEDs in the past where the lens would darken over the LED reducing what light could penetrate the lens and make it to the tank. This happened quite often when using LEDs other than Cree or Phillips or some other higher quality brand. The problem became worse as colors approached the 420nm range of near UV. However I still saw this behavior on whites as well.
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Posted: December 15 2016 at 4:12pm |
Thanks Jeff. The dimmer seems to be working properly. I turned the knob all the way down and then all the way up and the light went almost off and then up. Come to think of it, I'm not sure the LED's went all the way off when I turned the dimmer all the way down when everything was new a year ago.
The problem is that with the dimmer all the way up, the LED's have about 60-75% intensity from a year ago when the fixture was new. This is exactly the same as what happened with the previous Hamilton 27x1W LED fixture where I replaced the OEM power supply with another cheap one (~$13) that also degraded over a year.
Hamilton doesn't even sell these fixtures anymore, probably because of the same problem I'm having; substandard power supply. I hope this new power supply does the job, but I'll keep in mind that it could be the dimmer/driver. I believe it's the very one you suggested last year.
I might want to add a female barrel plug on the input side of the dimmer so I can easily remove it from the circuit. Then I can plug the fixture directly to the present power supply to see if there is a change. Hmmm, I still have the original fixture in storage. Thinking maybe I just need a good power supply for it too?
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Posted: December 15 2016 at 3:39pm |
The driver and dimmer are in the same box (the one with the dimmer knob). There are three components to your light setup. The power supply (the meanwell box you are ordering). The Dimmer/Driver box and the LED strip.
The electronics contained in the fixture/LED strip are simply current limiting resistors to prevent the current through each set of LED's from getting too high and damaging them. They LEDs are generally in 3 to 4 LED groups with each group having it's own resistor.
Are you thinking that the dimmer is going bad? What is making you think that may be the case?
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Posted: December 15 2016 at 11:47am |
Umm, I thought that driver and power supply were the same thing. I was wrong. This fixture plugs into a power supply which plugs into the wall. I inserted the dimmer inline between the power supply and the fixture. Is the "driver" part of the electronics contained in the fixture?
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Posted: December 15 2016 at 8:54am |
Why would you need to replace the driver? The one you have will still work fine with the new power supply. Remember that the powersupply is only going to be putting out the amperage that the LED's require and not it's full 6A (this is good because it will be putting off less heat). So as long as the LED's have not degraded prematurely and significantly then everything else should still be fine.
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Posted: December 15 2016 at 7:39am |
Ok, I believe you're both telling me to go with Mean Well. I believe that is sound advice, but which driver should I use? To see the rest of the story, go to the build thread here:
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Posted: December 15 2016 at 7:31am |
Agreed. The Meanwell will be the last power supply you have to put on that tank. The Kastar has mixed reviews on quality and does not state whether it is regulated or not which means the voltage and current can fluctuate with input voltage changes.
I have that same Meanwell power supply on an LED light setup that has been running 24/7 for the last 7 years (accent lighting on stairs and hallway in basement). It hasn't failed that entire time.
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Posted: December 15 2016 at 12:59am |
The meanwell will last longer and give you a more stable power signal. They usually have power spike protection and reverse polarity protection. Its a much better supply in every way.
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Posted: December 14 2016 at 3:50pm |
That's kind of what I thought.
Because it was beginning to look like I was going to have to swap these out every year, I was already thinking of putting a female barrel connector on the input to the PWM, to use this: $6.90 Kastar LCD AC Adapter 12V 6A with 3-Prong Power Cord Power Supply for LCD Monitor and LCD TV
or I could spend more up front for this:
$34.67 MEAN WELL GS90A12-P1M 3-Wire Regulated AC-to-DC Switching Table-Top Power Supply, 12V, 6.67 Amp, 80W, 1.5"
Both found on Amazon What do you think?
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Posted: December 14 2016 at 8:45am |
Never run electronics at 100%. I rarely build things that are above 80% of maximum. So if your LED's need 4.6A I wouldn't go less than a 6A supply. Also the power supplies from laptops and such in the black plastic cases deteriorate due to excessive heat in the plastic case. If you really want a long lasting power supply then I would go with a MeanWell style (metal cage style) power supply that is rated at least 20% higher than what you need. It will run cooler at the lower output which will extend it's life and make it more efficient.
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Posted: December 13 2016 at 2:29pm |
It's been 13 months and the PWM is now at 100%, because the light output from this Hamilton 18x3W LED seems to be gradually dropping. This happened before with the previous Hamilton 27x1W LED fixture which was partially corrected by a new power supply, but it also diminished after a year or so.
I suppose the lower light is partly due to LED's losing intensity, possibly up to 10% per year, but I believe it's also due to diminishing output from the power supply. The current power supply is rated at 12V x 5A, 60W
I plan to buy a new power supply. My question is this: Will a slightly higher amperage power supply, 12V 6A 72W, work well and might it last longer using the PWM to reduce the output until it too begins to show it's age with diminishing power?
Aloha, Mark
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Posted: November 25 2015 at 4:12pm |
As I was going through all the pics of this tank, I realized that I had enough for a build thread.
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Posted: November 24 2015 at 9:39am |
Don't forget pictures to show off what you end up doing with it :D
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Posted: November 24 2015 at 8:37am |
Thanks. The $6 PWM manual dimmer unit should arrive today. FYI, the electrical tape is wrapped around the light strip, hanging below the LED's as a shade. It's not touching the LED lenses.
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Posted: November 23 2015 at 6:16pm |
You're probably going to melt some adhesives onto the LED surfaces...
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Posted: November 23 2015 at 3:43pm |
2nd Acan's pot link. I've used them on several LED Projects (Including one that really did pull a full 8A from a 12v source) and haven't ever had any troubles with it.
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Posted: November 20 2015 at 9:43am |
Be careful with the electrical tape. It acts as an insulator and traps heat in the LED. Watch for any rippling in the tape to know if its getting too warm.
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Posted: November 20 2015 at 9:37am |
Yes, there are six circuit boards, each with three LED's, two white and one blue.
I may get one of those dimmer units. Thanks. I wondered about that one when I saw it on the day before the OP.
As usual, I couldn't wait so yesterday I wrapped black electricians tape loosely over 5 of the 18 3W LED's effectively reducing the unit from 54 W to 40 W of light output on the tank. The old LED light was 36 1W LED's that had gone dim, I figured this would be a decent wattage at which to start the acclimation.
Thanks for all your help. I'll try to remember to give an update on how it's going.
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Posted: November 20 2015 at 8:46am |
Just use a digital pot in place of the manual one. I built a couple like that a while back. Works pretty good.
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