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    Posted: August 04 2010 at 9:49pm
My blue hippo has been going on 2 1/2 weeks now with ich.  I have followed advice from everyone here and started feeding emerald entree as recommended by Mark, as well as added a cleaner shrimp. (yet to see it clean a fish though)  Everyday I am soaking food in garlic xtreme for 10-15 minutes.  His diet consists of nori everyday, soaked mysis 3 days a week, emerald entree 3 days a week, and NLS thera A pellets twice a week.  The fish is well-fed eats like a pig and is fat.  However, its been about 18 days now since ich first appeared and he still has spots and is flashing around.  I've done the qt thing and gone fishless for 6 weeks in the past.....it stressed my fish and caused some losses....after 7 weeks I added my fish back and ich re-appeared, which was slightly annoying. (must not of waited long enough) I am now trying the theory of feeding a wide variety of food, soaking in garlic, and keeping water quality in top shape to battle ich.  Is this tang of mine going to make it?  Each day I expect to see a dead fish, but he is always swimming and eating.....just the spots!  I counted four or five white spots today....however, it appears he has 5 or 6 black spots on both sides now too!!!(sugar-like)  Are these black spots something totally different?  Or are they just where the previous ich was attached and is scarred or something?  Any input on what else I could do to get this fish past this ich?
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black spot sound like black ich. the life cycle of the black ich is different but ends up dissapearing since the last stage requires that a bird eats the fish but that will not happen in a aquarium. 18 days seems alot the food is helping other wise the fish would be in serious problems. if you want to complete eradicate the ich go to this site (pending) sorry ill post it later
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sorry for not putting the link early here it is this help me alot
 
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I've not had much success with Garlic Extreme either. Try a different Garlic Oil product.
I'm sorry if you missed this instruction:

Basically if the product does not eliminate Ich within a few days, it is not the right Garlic Oil for this particular tank. Try another Garlic Oil.

I have had excellent results from the stinky Garlic Oil made by Natures Bounty. I found it for less than $5 at Smiths, but lately Smiths only seems to carry the NB oderless Garic Oil. I like buying the gel caps. The bottle of Garlic Oil gel caps I currently have says "Carefully manufactured for Solgar Vitamin and Herb"  I got it at a health food store.

No matter how long you leave a tank fishless, you will discover that it is impossible to eliminate the Ich parasite. It may hitchhike in on a fish, or in a drop of water or on a piece of LR. After I die, when all truth is revealed to us, it would not surprise me to learn that Ich can live in some form or another without a fish and simply hops aboard the fish when the opportunity presents itself. LOL


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Interesting that by the date of that writing, 2007, Joe W had evidently not yet heard of using Garlic Oil. I believe he is wrong on a couple of points but I'm not here to argue, just to point out that from 2004/5 when we first heard of it, using Garlic Oil has been the best Ich prevention we hobbyists have yet found.

I guess I should also mention that the way a tank is set up also has a major influence. If another type of Garlic Oil doesn't do the trick, it's time to come here to this MB to talk about what else is going on in the tanks environment that could be enabling the parasite.

And lastly, we know that some fish are simply "Ich Magnets". The powder Tangs and Blue Tangs are, unfortunately, at the very top of the list. Cry


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What about the use of garlic for black ich?  Anyone have any experiences with it?  I told myself I would never do the qt thing again because it was a pain doing waterchanges so much, and having fish in such a small tank (10 gallon) and stressful environment.  ALthough most survived and were treated with copper....once taken out, (after 7 weeks) the ich reappeared....it is just a lot of work.  So frustrated right now...maybe I just need to keep corals and thats it!
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I feel your pain.
Black ich is usually not fatal, in my experience.
Feel free to give me a call. I make house calls.
I can help set your mind at ease.
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Do you have a UV sterilizer? I am by no means a fish doctor, I have the hardest time with fish but since I got a UV sterilizer I haven't had any problems with ich. Maybe you guys have already discussed this but if not its a thought.
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Just bought one :)......I know it won't cure fish....but if my fish makes it through it, I hope the UV helps keep the number of ich parasites to a minimum!
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You could try a FW dip on the affected fish.
 
But honestly, if it is still eating and swimming vigorously, I would just continue doing what you are doing...
 
 
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Still no improvement with the Black Ich, so I combined all the advice you guys gave and went with a freshwater dip, bought a UV, and did a water change.  That brings the total cost for this fish well over a 100 bucks!  Luckily, not sure how, but I netted the fish, first attempt.....anyways, had some fresh ro, airstone, and heater....dipped him for 5 minutes according to what others have done.  He seemed to do fine, but acted angry at me lol.  Usually he would swim off to his hiding spot everytime I came with 12 inches of the tank...now if I'm even 12 feet from the tank he takes off.....I can't even look at him to see if it made a difference....time will tell I guess, he ate like a pig again...


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I wouldn't worry about those black dots. They are typically not lethal and often go away after a few weeks or months.
Sounds like you may have accomplished the dip without killing the fish. That's good.

At the meeting in the discussion of Ich remedies, all the old timers seemed to agree that a freshwater dip usually does not work for one clear reason. By the time we come to the point of dipping the fish in freshwater, it's a last resort and the fish is too sick to avoid the net. The fish is already so far gone so that the catching and the freshwater simply stresses it to the point of death within a day or two after.

This may sound heartless, but it's based on many years of observation. Do the simple things hoping the fish lives, but then learn and prepare in every way possible to make the tank as hospitable, healthy and disease preventive as possible for the next carefully chosen fish.
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Some positive news....got an additional cleaner shrimp and he is very aggressive....he has been cleaning the hippo for the last 30 minutes, with the fish allowing it...the hippo won't even come out of their little cave/cove....also, fish is still eating like crazy, we will see what he looks like tomorrow after the nice cleaning he is getting.  
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