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Suzy
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Topic: Moving from 90 gallons to 240 !! Posted: December 02 2003 at 6:41am |
You are being soooo careful! Are you using IO? I know this sounds bad, but when I move a tank or do a water change, I don't let the water sit for a day like some say you must. I don't even wait for the temp to be the same! As soon as the water is clear (ish), it goes in! I figure if you siphon it in, the water warms slightly in the tubiing and mixes with the old water slow enough..... I've never noticed anybody upset,except for the corals at the top of the tank who just went through a tide going out for a half hour! Why not just add new IO water one 5 gallon bucket at a time?
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Posted: December 01 2003 at 10:51pm |
OOOHHH - now I really think I am having a brain fart. I'll see it when you do it, then I'll get it.
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Posted: December 01 2003 at 10:49pm |
Sigh - no, the "ready" water is the water that I prepared in the new tank. I figure that I need about 170 gallons if I keep about 70 galons from the old tank. So the question is, does the bathtub hold 170 gallons
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Posted: December 01 2003 at 10:06pm |
OOOHHHHH - OKay, I think I got it. So the "ready" water is from the old tank? Just make new water and only keep a little from the old one.
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Posted: December 01 2003 at 10:04pm |
Crazy - The new tank would sit in the exact place of the tank it is replacing. I do not think I want to have 10 garbage cans sitting around, with heater and powerheads etc. So... I thought I'd use the large new tank as a mixing vessel for a few days. Jon - It would not sit more then a day.
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Posted: December 01 2003 at 9:57pm |
Depending on how long it sits in the tub, I might try to cover the drain with some plastic and silicone. A lot of drains are brass or bronze... both are copper alloys.
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Posted: December 01 2003 at 9:50pm |
Arjen, just a thought, if you are going to use a bath tub, I suggest cleaning it thoroughly with bleach then again with fresh water first. You could time how long it takes for your faucet to fill a five gallon bucket, then time how long it takes to fill up the tub. You get the point. Then you would have a good estimate of how much it will hold. Where does the "ready" water come from? Why would you need to store it anywhere? I think I'm having a brain fart.
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Posted: December 01 2003 at 9:39pm |
OK - this is what I just thought... I think that I will make the aquarium + sump run in the garage, and test out the setup for a few days. Then I will empty it and fill it 3/4 full of RO water, mix it with salt, and let it sit for a few days to acclimate. Now for the kicker - How about storing the "ready" water in one of the bathtubs for a day? Of course I would have to make sure there is absolutely no soap around.... But does anyone know how much water a standard 5' bathtub holds (up to the overfill drain) ?
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Posted: December 01 2003 at 2:23pm |
Does Tanks by Todd or Sealife have a website? Where are they (the businesses)located? Thanks Lynn Arjen! I just got a coupon in the mail for a free, large size, plastic trash can. Whohooo! I'll go get it tomorrow. Just let me know when you need it. L-
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Posted: November 22 2003 at 9:37pm |
I recently moved my 150 gal tank from its original home to mine.
I didn't have a tank in the way so didn't have that problem. (I
mostly watched the move the original owner and my son did the
work.) They put the livestock in buckets with water and the
LR in buckets too and covered them all with lids or towels. The
sand was scooped out and placed in buckets as well. When it
arrived at my home it was quickly rebuilt and the sand and rock
placed inside. We added about 30 lb of extra sand I had bought on
ebay and finished the set up with appropriate water. We let the
water heat up some and then added the livestock. It's almost a
month later and everything looks great. The only thing we lost in
the move was all the coraline alge on the back of the tank. I
hope that will come back soon. Good luck with your move.
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Posted: November 21 2003 at 9:06pm |
Try calling Sealife or my favorite Tanks By Todd. I'm sure they can hook you up cheap.
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Posted: November 21 2003 at 8:57pm |
You guys are great - thank you for the replies so far. I will have to build the stand first, so it will be a few weeks - but then I will take you guys up on some offers. Does anyone know of anybody else who trucks around salt water, besides MSM?
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Posted: November 21 2003 at 12:13pm |
i have a heater, 2-5 gal buckets, a few water containers for camping, 66 quart steralite plastic boxes and I'm sure a ton of other stuff I haven't thought of yet. I am not in imediate need of any of it. Oh I also have Adam's 6 gal eclipse tank with lights, if that would help as well. I do also have my 75 gal acrylic tank that is still in its original box that you could use. Lynn
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Posted: November 21 2003 at 11:21am |
Arjen,
I have a couple garbage containers you can use.
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Posted: November 21 2003 at 11:17am |
I pretty much agree with Jon on the move but one suggestion. Go to Home depot and buy about 10 32g rubbermaid garbage cans or how many you think you might need. Make your water up first and let it age for a couple of days. When you are done with the move, simply rinse the cans out and take them back. This is what I did when I did a 100% water change on my 300g. I've got a couple of old heaters and some power heads you can borrow.
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Posted: November 21 2003 at 10:57am |
My experience has been that LS should be the last thing removed from the tank, just for safety in case there is a pocket of hydrogen sulfide. Some people may notice the black color of the HS2 and discard that sand but IMO it's no problem when it's drained and mixed in with the good stuff. This is a good opportunity to rinse the accumulated detritus from the sand. Your tank has been running for about three or four years, if I figure correctly. With those sand sifting stars, I wonder just how clean the sand will be? Anyway, I leave a couple inches of water in the bottom and remove the LS using a plastic colander like they make for draining spaghetti. The detritus will drain out with the water. Just dump the sand out of the colander into the new tank. It will still have lots of bacteria but be cleaner. You might even take a couple gallons of it directly to the new tank to ensure there is some less disturbed sand with all it's life. It's pretty hard to separate surface sand from bottom sand, but frankly, it doesn't seem to matter if it's all mixed up. Hope this helps. Also, this is a good time to exchange some LS for new sand if there is anyone that needs LS. Also, a brief rinse of some of the LS in tapwater does not seeem to be a problem. Rinsing in salt water is unecessary, IMO.
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Posted: November 21 2003 at 10:55am |
The only potential poison I'm aware of might be hydrogen sulfide, H2S (rotten egg smelling gas). I've never moved a sandbed, so I'll differ to anyone who has. But if I did smell H2S (and working at a refinery, I know the smell well), I would probably risk the benificial bacteria and rinse the sand in freshly made salt water. If I didn't smell H2S, then I'd just transfer. Anyone here have a sand bed moving story to tell?
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Posted: November 21 2003 at 10:27am |
BTW - does anybody know what happens to my already established 5 inch deep sand bed? Will it "poison" the new tank when disturbed?
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Posted: November 21 2003 at 10:26am |
See - now THAT is usefull information Thanks Jon - and Ryan, I will probably take you up on that offer. Please keep the suggestions coming.
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Posted: November 21 2003 at 10:23am |
Jon knows what he's doing. Also, keep the LR and coral submerged in a small bucket of tank water while moving it between tanks/tubs if possible. This way there will be no die-off and no "cycling" to worry about. I wouldn't mind helping y'all move things. Just call me.
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