HELP!!!!!
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Topic: HELP!!!!!
Posted By: psyduck
Subject: HELP!!!!!
Date Posted: August 16 2003 at 1:49pm
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I had a tank crash this weekend, and all of my fish have died except one, my clown fish. If ANYONE would like a clown fish or any of my corals, I would love to let you have them. They just need a good tank. I am still trying to figure out what exactly went wrong, but if you could help me out and give any of my livestock a good home you would be a saivour.
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Posted By: rfoote
Date Posted: August 16 2003 at 9:43pm
| I'll give you a call in the morning. I live up in Syracuse, don't know if you still have anything left or not. |
Posted By: ewaldsreef
Date Posted: August 17 2003 at 10:26am
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Let me know if you still need me to do that for you. Not a problem. (we spoke yesterday) ------------- Contact me for professional aquarium maintenance and localy grown coral frags. [URL=http://www.aquatitranquility.com][/URL] |
Posted By: psyduck
Date Posted: August 17 2003 at 3:08pm
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Thanks to everyone who responed, I have been able to place all of my live stock in a safe tank.
Now that that is done, does anyone have any ideas as to what could have caused this kind of a crash? After I removed all the fish I started testing my water SG 1.021 NH3/4 < .25 ppm NO2 0 NO3 < 5 ppm The PH is quite high above 8.7 (the highest the test I had would go). I don't know if that would cause all fish except one to die all in one night and if so any ideas as to what could have suddenly made it go so high?? All the fish were swimming around and acting just fine the night before. However about two weeks ago my 3 yr old nephue decided to help me with the tank and added in a whole bottle of Iodine, strontium, and some reef essentials with out my knowledge. When I got down their and looked at everything all the levels were the same as above except the PH was lower. I cant imagine that this would be healthy for the livestock, could this have cause the crash? Thanks for the help. Steve |
Posted By: John Fletcher
Date Posted: August 18 2003 at 7:46am
"added in a whole bottle of Iodine, strontium, and some reef essentials" Did you say a whole bottle of each? I am sure this was the cause. Did you test the levels of each one? Did you do any water changes? I am so sorry to hear this. It is kind of hard to get mad. He was only trying to help. If you have not tested the levels, check and see where they are now.------------- John Fletcher 20 years experience (Tank of the Month for May 2003)Taking a little break... |
Posted By: psyduck
Date Posted: August 18 2003 at 11:10am
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Yep a whole bottler of each.
I have done some water changes but not enough I guess. I have a iodine test, but how do you test for the strontium and reef essentials?? But another question is, why would all of that stuff in the tank wait for two weeks then kill everything in one night? Everything died last friday but on thursday every body was happy and swimming around. Thanks again |
Posted By: John Fletcher
Date Posted: August 18 2003 at 2:02pm
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There are tests for strontium. I don't know about the reef essentials. My guess is the Iodine is a slow release and it just built up to high. This is my guess. I'm glad to hers you did some water changes. ------------- John Fletcher 20 years experience (Tank of the Month for May 2003)Taking a little break... |
Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: August 18 2003 at 4:24pm
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Maybe I'm stating the obvious, but if water changes and carbon had started the day you knew of the nephews "help" you would have prevented the deaths. Even carbon by itself could have done the job!
Next time please call us as soon as something strange happens. We CAN help. 20% water changes for three or four days in a row would effectively dilute the additives and not overly stress the tank with new water all at once. (The water would have been welcomed by someone wanting those additives in their tank!  )
Quote: "But another question is, why would all of that stuff in the tank wait for two weeks then kill everything in one night? Everything died last friday but on thursday every body was happy and swimming around." Answers: 1)I kind of suspect that there was something beginning that you didn't notice. 2) sometimes other changes in the tank combine to produce an undesirable event 3)Please be aware in the future that these additives are chemicals! They are dangerous in large doses though the animals evidently did not absorb a lethal dose all at once. We do not know how long it would take for elevated levels of a chemical to become toxic and then to kill. Looks like you found out for all of us. Some chemicals are okay until the level reaches a point where the body system shuts down because it "just couldn't take it any more" BTW - Your'e very blessed that the nephew didn't drink the chemicals! - - All CHEMICALS SHOULD BE KEPT OUT OF THE REACH OF CHILDREN - - ------------- Reefkeeping Tips, & quick, easy setup tricks: www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244 Pay it forward - become a paid WMAS member 
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Posted By: jfinch
Date Posted: August 18 2003 at 5:35pm
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What kind (I2, I- or IO3-) of iodine was it? It could have been the iodine, but I wouldn't think everything would die in one night two weeks after the fact.
I think the more likely culprit was the high pH. You need to find out where the >8.7 pH came from. Do you have kalkwasser laying around that a child could have dumped into your tank the night before? Do you dose kalk yourself? I don't think the iodine, strontium or reef essentials would boost your pH like that. one other bit. carbon will remove organics, not ionic species such as iodine or strontium. Reef essentials might have organics (lipids, amino acids, ect) that carbon would remove. Iodine and strontium could be removed with carbon if they were complexed with organics (ie chelated). Water changes are the "sure" fix for most water problems! ------------- Jon https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6y_EzjI_ljbIwf2n5uNzTw" rel="nofollow - What I've been doing... |
Posted By: imaexpat2
Date Posted: August 18 2003 at 7:39pm
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"multiples of sadness" as I am so famous for saying in moments like these! I dont know what to tell you. Still kinda new at this. I gotta side with the others though...repeated massive water changes appear to be the only real cure. ------------- 300 gal. Frag System 300 gal. Live Rock Vat 240 gal. SPS/Clam Reef Tank 135 gal. SPS/Clam Reef Tank 75 gal. Softies only Tank 65 gal. LPS/Softies 24 gal. SPS/Softies Nano Reef |
Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: August 19 2003 at 9:29pm
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Problem solving is kinda fun here!
Because psyduck stated that after the deaths, water testing started, I suspect the pH was high ever since the Nephew Incident! The high pH may have finally got to them, or perhaps some other slight change in the tank caused the already stressed organisms to die overnight(BTW - pH in solo, unmodified aquariums drops at night (unless 3 bottles of additives are present)). My guess is that it wasn't the pH alone that did them in. If psyduck doesn't answer we will never know. I was probably too blunt and offended. Sorry.  ------------- Reefkeeping Tips, & quick, easy setup tricks: www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244 Pay it forward - become a paid WMAS member
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