New Build 70G
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Topic: New Build 70G
Posted By: Marcoss
Subject: New Build 70G
Date Posted: December 14 2014 at 11:59am
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Hello I wanted to get this thread started, although maybe prematurely, to see if I can get a little bit of help. I will use this thread to document my build and to see if I can get feedback here and there. I have recently received my Cadlights 70G tank, with I think, a 20ish gallon sump. Here is it is just as its arrived, super excited when I first saw the pallet. http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_6971_zpsec4af9c5.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  I will not actually test for leaks until after the holidays since I will be gone, etc. but I believe it is all set up. The plumbing seems right, at least from images I have compared mine against. Here it is where I will keep it. I have read a number of threads saying to leave the tank about 6 inches from the wall, which I have done. I can see that its just barely enough room to get my hands behind it/reach for something I have dropped. http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_6990_zpsa87dab07.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_6991_zps07a6b5ad.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  I have added a little rock for now, just to get an idea of how it will look. I have played around with rockscaping but dislike everything I do. I think I may need more rock, even to reach the minimalistic look I am after. Here is my big question; as you can see, the sump is rather small in the refugium area. I was planning on adding a small layer of mud first, then a small layer of live sand, followed by a smallish rock and some cheato. Due to the small size, do you think it is overkill to add that much stuff? The amount of stuff would be small and fit, but I am just unsure if it would have any value since it will be so scaled down. The refugium area is directly to the left of the return pump. My guess is its about 5 inches wide, by 15 inches long, by about 5 inches tall. http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7024_zps2403952b.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7023_zpse8a27e8d.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7017_zps69078ff8.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  Thanks again in advance for whoever assists. Thanks! Marcos ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
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Posted By: willstang
Date Posted: December 14 2014 at 12:38pm
| That's a sweet looking tank. |
Posted By: Crazy Tarzan
Date Posted: December 15 2014 at 10:32am
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I made my rock structures how I wanted and just added a few pieces of uncured live rock from florida after. Gorilla glue worked great, has a nice shape that blends when cured, and is now almost completely covered in coralline algae. I like the rimless design! very nice! going to be an awesome tank. Don't forget to place rocks in before sand, and you can use egg-crate under them to help spread the load out if you have a small point holding all the weight. This will help with them not shifting if something digs in the sand. ------------- Was that in there yesterday? Casper--WY windier than ? Down to a 20, soon to double or nothing |
Posted By: 80cent
Date Posted: December 15 2014 at 2:20pm
| It's unreal how much I like this setup. Keep us posted! |
Posted By: Studboyt
Date Posted: December 15 2014 at 2:45pm
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Marcos, Looking good man. I have some extra Marco rock if you need more, let me know. I also started with all dry rock and it was months before everything was stable enough to add corals. I also have some Chaeto if you need some as well. You are going to love it when it's up and running. Aaron |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: December 16 2014 at 8:16pm
Thanks! I am super stoked for it and think it will look good once its all set up. ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
willstang wrote:Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: December 16 2014 at 8:19pm
Hey! Thanks for the advice on the glue and sand/egg-create idea! Does the glue not have any negative effects on the the fish/corals? I was wondering why people use egg-crate; makes sense on distributing the weight without having too lay too much sand down. Does the egg-create hold a lot of bad bacteria though or does the sand block it from getting down that far? Thanks! Marcos ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: December 16 2014 at 8:19pm
Thank you! I appreciate the support and am excited to get some time to keep you updated! Marcos ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: December 16 2014 at 8:22pm
Hey Aaron, Thanks again for the message. I had to Google Marco Rock and I like it- looks a lot like the BRS stuff I have. Is it all cured or still just dry and not in a tank? If its got coraline on it, I am down to buy some and some Cheato. I just won't be back around until the end of the month though... I'm hoping I can get my tank half as nice as yours. Thanks man! Marcos ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: kellerexpress
Date Posted: December 17 2014 at 12:39am
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good looking tank ------------- IM 30L Kessil A160we x2 |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: December 17 2014 at 7:19am
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kellerexpress, Thanks! ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: ksmart
Date Posted: December 22 2014 at 6:24pm
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awesome tank! excited to see your progress! ------------- |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: December 30 2014 at 9:04pm
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ksmart, I'm excited too! I am a couple of weeks out from having water. Thanks! Marcos ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: December 30 2014 at 9:14pm
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Hello! Although I do not have much new to report, I did come home to something awesome my wife did. It was recently my birthday and my wife wanted to get me a fish...But, as you've read, I don't have any water/way of sustaining life. So, she made me some paper mache fish and some even made some from $$$. Anyway, I thought it was awesome looking! http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7076_zpsb6f97a84.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7079_zpse4d5997d.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  So, I am a couple of weeks out from adding some rock/salt water. Today, I ordered some more stuff from BRS: Some salt Heaters RO/DI system Pumps More sand Refractometer, etc. I am just tying up some loose ends on the last items I need and should be ready to add water in a couple of weeks. I'm super stoked and look forward to getting some feedback on my aquascape! Thanks and Happy New Year! Marcos ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: Studboyt
Date Posted: December 30 2014 at 9:57pm
| This is gonna be sweet man, can't wait to see it come along |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: January 08 2015 at 1:16pm
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You have no idea how excited I am. Its taking so long. I could have done things faster but want to take the easy route, long term. I get a few shipments today, and unless things are damaged, I will have water/rock/sand in it this weekend. ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: Studboyt
Date Posted: January 08 2015 at 5:46pm
| Awesome man. What are you using for water movement? |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: January 08 2015 at 6:34pm
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When it rains it pours. So, I've been pretty damn anxious and excited to get my RODI system. It came today so I rushed home to set it up. I plug the damn thing in and it turns out the pressure in my house is too low. I even checked with a house just to make sure my kitchen sink was not throttled down. So, now I have to purchase a booster to increase the PSI that runs into the RODI. Since I'm pissed off at this system I'm putting it on the back burner for now. Tomorrow I'm going to truck water back and forth from Orem to Saratoga Springs. I guess it's nothing major its just a let down. Anyway- sorry to rant. I plan on using either an MP40 and an MP10 or one of the Gyre systems. I'm leaning towards the Gyre as it's less than an MP40 and I could always use the MP10 on something new and smaller. ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: Molli
Date Posted: January 08 2015 at 6:36pm
| If I were you I would use phosphate remover from the moment you add water to your tank. I love marco rock, but my experience with it in my last tank as that it releases phosphates for MONTHS. |
Posted By: Reefboy4life
Date Posted: January 08 2015 at 6:36pm
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Nice, looks clean ------------- 90 gallon mixed reef |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: January 08 2015 at 6:45pm
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Thanks! Taking the day off tomorrow so I can get water in this thing. ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: January 08 2015 at 6:47pm
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Hi Molli I am using BRS rock and buying some live from from Aquatic in Orem. Is the BRS rock like the Marco? They look the same to me but I don't know the difference. Thanks! Marcos ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: Studboyt
Date Posted: January 08 2015 at 6:51pm
So true, I used Marco and it took months to get to where I would put corals in. Which, let's be honest isn't a bad idea anyways. |
Posted By: Molli
Date Posted: January 08 2015 at 6:52pm
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I'm not sure. If it is dead rock from an old reef I'd run phosphate remover to be cautious. |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: January 10 2015 at 11:05am
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Okay, new update. I decided to go with all live rock instead in hopes of getting things going sooner, and have a look I want immediately. That said, I finally added water last night. I was very nervous to do this as my RODI is not working so I had to get water from our LFS buckets at a time. I ended up coming home, dumping water in a Brute, and going back with empty buckets to get more water. I mixed salt in the Brute and in the little buckets; I thought I was for sure going to be way off in the SG but after 12 hours the tank is at 1.024 SG. So, I guess I mixed correctly. Here is what the tank looked like last night at 11 pm: http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7186_zps707a1eb1.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  I ended up finding a small leak in some plumbing so I had to make a late night Walmart run and found some clamps to help out. Still trying to work out the small leak though...I am not super worried at this point. This is what I woke up to, although, I turned the lights on for the photo: http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7197_zpsbfcbbaed.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7191_zps63f3de50.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7193_zpse4e91444.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7192_zps0d28be94.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  Its hard to tell from the images, but I have a couple of shelves with darker/less light areas below. My wife fell in love with a coral that needs very little light, so I built a darker areas for it. I also decided to use a Gyre versus the Vortech's I originally planned. The Gyre seems awesome so far. I can see stuff moving in the sand one the opposite end of the tank and things hanging off the rock is moving on every part of the tank. I must say it makes a slight annoying sound you can hear in the room, but outside of it you cannot hear it. My tank actually makes a lot of noise which I think is associated with the leak I am working on. Here is what the tank looks like with no lights on: http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7196_zps0e2d3795.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  Thanks! Marcos ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: relethg
Date Posted: January 10 2015 at 12:26pm
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Hi Marcos, Do you have any leaks (small seeps) at the bulkhead fittings? All three of mine leaked and it was because the threaded part to the bulkhead was to long and would not compress the rubber gaskets enough. I had to cut the threaded portion a little and the worked great. Glenn ------------- 210 G Filled 18 Mar 15 120 G Filled 11 Jun 16 |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: January 10 2015 at 1:05pm
Glenn, You're brilliant; that is exactly what is happening. I thought it was a leak but it's a small seep from two of the three bulk heads. I thought I didn't hand tighten them enough so I took that approach first. Now the leak is limited to a small drip. The part thay confuses me is that when I turn the pumps off- the seep stops. I don't see how the pumps going off makes a difference since the area it is leaking from always has water in it. Besides cutting the pipes; can I use some sort of temporary sealer/caulk to put around the fittings? I'm afraid to take the whole thing apart now since I'm not super handy. By the way; do you have this tank too? It's very pretty and so far I love it. Thanks! Marcos ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: relethg
Date Posted: January 10 2015 at 1:20pm
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Thanks Marco, but it is just a lesson learned. I have the 45 gallon shallow reef and love it. Has had water in if to 4 weeks. Can see some pics here. http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74112&PID=581261" rel="nofollow - http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=74112&PID=581261 The pressure in the overflow is less because there is less water in there when the pump is off. This is what I did and suggest you do it so you don't have seep in the future. Turn off pump and drain the overflow. Remove all the bulkheads and screw them back together (not installed) and check the gap between the fittings against the glass thickness. Trim the threaded piece so there will be a tight fit on the glass and the rubber gaskets will be compressed. I know this is a pain and was for me, but you will have a permanent fix and will not need to worry anymore. This is common on the Cadelights. I also modes the sump so the fugue is bigger. I took out the media chamber. ------------- 210 G Filled 18 Mar 15 120 G Filled 11 Jun 16 |
Posted By: Molli
Date Posted: January 10 2015 at 2:18pm
| You two should definitely put a negative review about this problem on the cadlights website. Clearly they must know about the problem, yet continue to sell tanks without fixing this problem. They deserve to have prospective buyers read about this. |
Posted By: relethg
Date Posted: January 10 2015 at 2:27pm
You are right Molli, I provided them direct feedback and this has been discussed at length over on Nano-Reef.com. Their plumbing sucks and they know it. They use china plumbing that is metric and non-standard making it hard to support at plumbing supply stores. Not sure why such I nice tank maker would do this. I would pay the extra $$ to get standard good plumbing. ------------- 210 G Filled 18 Mar 15 120 G Filled 11 Jun 16 |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 6:47pm
Glenn, Thank you very much for the information. You hit the nail on the head with your assessment of the leak. I am still tinkering around with fixing this. The seep is so small and just falls into the sump that it does not bother me a lot, but I want to fix it incase it causes permanent damage. I might end up sealing it with some sort of sealer, the stuff you use for building tanks. This is just a semi permanent solution that I could cut off with razor blade should I need to. I like the added measure of safety given how crappy the plumbing is. I am thinking of doing the same for the sump; its kind of awkwardly small. They tried to create too many compartments in a small area. I have decided to not use a refugium in my system. I am trying to stick to keeping it simple. I will only have a reactor down there with carbon/GFO, the skimmer, and a couple of heaters, and maybe a small powerhead to keep water moving. I do not plan on adding any macro algae or ruble/rock or live sand. I know most people recommend this but I am trying to stay away from forums and what many people suggest. I mostly come on here to see what people build and look at the classifieds.  I have seen a lot of awesome tanks that do not have anything, and a lot that do. I decided to just take the route of not having anything in the refugium, seeing how it performs, if I find out I need it, I could always add it. Anyway, I am going to follow your thread. It looks like you are about 1 month ahead of me. I am excited to see how your tank comes out. I really wanted the 45G but they wanted an extra few hundred for the white stand so I just went with the bigger tank for the same cost with a white stand. Thanks Glenn! Marcos ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: January 12 2015 at 6:48pm
Hi Molli, Oh, they probably know me by name at Cadlights. I am probably a pain in their eyes, but as a newby I need the extra help and thought I was buying something high quality. The tank and stand are awesome so far. The only crappy part I have noticed is the plumbing and the return pump. The return pump works but just feels/looks low quality. The skimmer seems to skim like a banshee. Thanks again! Marcos ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: relethg
Date Posted: January 14 2015 at 3:57pm
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Marcoss, Just my two cents. I would spend the time now to fix the bulkheads just for piece of mind. I didn't want to be worrying about leaks when the tank is cycling or when I am away. It only takes an hour and you don't need to drain the tank, just the overflow. I think they could cause problems down the road if you leave them how they are even with something sealing them on the out side. When you work in the sump and you pull or move the plumbing it will cause new leaks. I will try and get pic posted of my tank tonight. Glenn ------------- 210 G Filled 18 Mar 15 120 G Filled 11 Jun 16 |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: January 14 2015 at 8:22pm
Hey Glenn, I totally agree. I actually started thinking about that yesterday. I called Cadlights this morning and went back and forth on the issue. The rep stated that they knew of the issue and we got into a small argument about it. They know about the issue, but yet do not fix it prior to sending the tank out. The rep explained they had a circular saw, or some tool, just to fix the issue when it arrises. I don't understand why they do not simply dismantle the plumbing kits they have, chop the extra few threads, and send out the correct items. It seems as though they produce a great product, yet, do not implement basic items that will keep them around for long term. They are very reactive to issues, which is good, but should be proactive in anticipation of issues. Although I love our tanks, I found that Red Sea just came out with very similar looking, rimless, tanks. Thats going to be my next tank, a shallow one from them. Anyway, thanks for the concern. I am in agreement with fixing this as soon as the piece comes in, Friday. Marcos ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: Molli
Date Posted: January 14 2015 at 8:27pm
Hey Glenn, I totally agree. I actually started thinking about that yesterday. I called Cadlights this morning and went back and forth on the issue. The rep stated that they knew of the issue and we got into a small argument about it. They know about the issue, but yet do not fix it prior to sending the tank out. The rep explained they had a circular saw, or some tool, just to fix the issue when it arrises. I don't understand why they do not simply dismantle the plumbing kits they have, chop the extra few threads, and send out the correct items. It seems as though they produce a great product, yet, do not implement basic items that will keep them around for long term. They are very reactive to issues, which is good, but should be proactive in anticipation of issues. Although I love our tanks, I found that Red Sea just came out with very similar looking, rimless, tanks. Thats going to be my next tank, a shallow one from them. Anyway, thanks for the concern. I am in agreement with fixing this as soon as the piece comes in, Friday. Marcos [/QUOTE] By the time you are ready to purchase your next tank you likely aren't going to need or want to purchase an all in one package. I have a custom made shallow tank from Cadlights that is so beautiful, but that is all they produced -- just the glass.. Everything else for the tank was purchased separately. |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: January 14 2015 at 8:38pm
By the time you are ready to purchase your next tank you likely aren't going to need or want to purchase an all in one package. I have a custom made shallow tank from Cadlights that is so beautiful, but that is all they produced -- just the glass.. Everything else for the tank was purchased separately. [/QUOTE]Hi Molli I am starting to feel like that too! I was looking at the tank in more detail, hoped online, and could have found the parts I needed so easily. I just didn't know any vocab or anything until recently. Next time I will buy an awesome looking tank, have a LFS drill some holes, and just buy the plumbing. Is there a spot that all of the members have posted images of their tanks? It would be awesome to see what Utah's tanks look like. Thanks! ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: Molli
Date Posted: January 14 2015 at 8:45pm
You can check out the tank threads on the boards. Also if you decide to purchase corals off the board you will see lots of tanks. The club also has a reef tour that individuals sign up for and allow people in their homes to see their tanks. I think that tour occurs in the summertime. |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: January 15 2015 at 6:33pm
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Added a Tunze ATO tonight. I have it feeding from a 10G Petsmart tank. So far, it works very well and the sensors are very accurate. Here is the tank inside of a cabinet I bought for the side: http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7241_zps6bccde0e.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  Here is the tank next to the stand: http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7240_zpsaad80226.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  The ATO and Gyre control: http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7242_zps2f953637.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  I am hoping to add fish one day. This process is pretty damn slow... Marcos ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: January 15 2015 at 6:34pm
Thanks for the suggestion. I will keep an eye out! Marcos ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: January 17 2015 at 2:00pm
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So, I finally added some life today! I am pretty sure I completed a cycle, or at least I am really hopeful! Here is what I added this morning, picked up a few items from Aquatic Evolution: 20 Astrea Snails 10 Blue Leg Hermits 1 Emerald Crab 2 Bullethole Clown Fish Here they are acclimating: http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7251_zpsffdfa160.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  A couple of images of them swimming around: http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7267_zps67d7d8b4.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7260_zpscbf8d23f.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  The fish are pretty damn fast, so they are hard to photograph. I am going to bring my camera home one day so I can take some much better pictures. Marcos ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: January 24 2015 at 5:50pm
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Okay, I think I'm addicted. I added some more things today and yesterday. I am finding I really like just the clown fish and mostly corals. I want to add maybe just one or two more fish, but I am in no hurry since I really like the corals. Plus, I cannot really justify spending the cash I want for the fish I truly want. I need to find some zoa/palys next, but they are just so hard to find, at least, what I want. Here is what I have added (I'm not exactly sure on the names): Blue Tip Hammer Candy Cane Allie Eye Challice ? Green Alveopora Green Open Brain Green Toadstool Yellow/Most Orange Leptastrea My tank is starting to have mostly green items, so I am after mostly blue colored items next time around. Below are some iPhone (crappy) pictures. I keep telling myself I need to bring home my camera but keep forgetting, starting with my favorite: http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7344_zps4ed37db0.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7342_zps7b68bd44.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7341_zps7134f3f2.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7340_zps2fd70ebd.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7339_zpsc5bc7a1d.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7346_zpsc65dd395.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7345_zps8df72902.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  Marcos ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: Studboyt
Date Posted: January 24 2015 at 6:04pm
| Lookin good man, those clowns are sweet. Maybe just let what you have settle in and make sure everything is good before adding more corals. |
Posted By: Molli
Date Posted: January 24 2015 at 6:05pm
| Nice additions! Have you started testing your alk, calc and mag yet. You will be needing to do that soon if you aren't doing frequent water changes. Your clowns might fall in love with your toadstool and use it as a host -- have seen that before. |
Posted By: Bryce
Date Posted: January 25 2015 at 11:49am
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I agree with the prior two posters. You just added some pretty expensive and not necessarily easy corals (other than that leather) to a tank that if I have read correctly has had water in it a month? I would wait 2 or 3 weeks minimum just to be sure you don't have an expensive lesson in patience and to be sure what you have adjusts well to the new environment you added them too. ------------- 65g Reef |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: January 25 2015 at 5:39pm
Hey man, I agree. We are taking a break for a couple of weeks before we add anything else. I realize that the items in there may consume more than the weekly water changes add, i.e. trace elements, calcium, etc. There is still a very small amount of stuff though, compared to the volume of the tank. It looks a little silly right now as its so sparse.
Hi Molly, Thanks for the recommendations! I actually ordered a basic reef kit since I only test/tested ammonia, nitrate, PH, nitrate. I agree I need to start testing for alk, calc, and mag which is the test I ordered. I do weekly water changes that should keep the alk, calc, and mag high enough until I add more, but I will still test to make sure. I really hope the clown host that toadstool; I personally dislike the way that thing looks but my wife loved it so its in there. :)
Bryce, I agree too! I am taking a break on adding more stuff and will start testing for alk, calc, and mag next week. You are correct, the tank has had water way less than a month. I realize I rush things but I have been testing daily to make sure I do not jeopardize the lives of the fish. I would be sad if I lost the corals, but really only care about the fish right now since they are more lifelike. I started with 50 lb. of live rock, 80 lb. of live rock, and treated with ammonia/bio stuff the first day. I had a spike in the first week and levels came down immediately. I have not had ammonia or nitrite since the first couple of days. I read that some people have short, 24 hr cycles, and hope that is my case. All seems well. Thanks everyone for the info! I am hoping I continue to report life and not death. Marcos ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: relethg
Date Posted: January 29 2015 at 12:05pm
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Didn't want to hijack that other thread. I did use razor blade to remove the extre chambers in the sump. It was not hard and it took about 30 min. I added a piece of glass to the second decider from the left. This keeps the skimmer chamber the same height. I don't have ATO yet, just can't make my mind up on the way to go yet. If I had ATO would not have added the glass. What heater(s) are you using. Are they in sump. Do you like them? What temp do you keep your system. I ask because I don't like my setup. Thanks Glenn ------------- 210 G Filled 18 Mar 15 120 G Filled 11 Jun 16 |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: January 29 2015 at 12:19pm
Hi Glenn, Thank you for the razor blade suggestions. I will try it because that tiny partition, the one that came with the egg-crate, seems to be worthless. Most likely, it is designed to hold bags of carbon. I want to use house a couple of BRS reactors to run GFO and carbon. I added a Tunze ATO when I first set up my tank. I have it pulling from a 10G, cheap Petco tank, inside a cabinet. It burns through about 7-10 gallons a week so I am super glad to have it. It works like a champ too. I have tested it by turning off the entire system, letting the sump fill up, etc. It does not seem to pump water when its not needed and my SG stays at 1.024 all the time. I am using two 150W Eheim Jager heaters. I am kind of paranoid/anal when it comes to things so I wanted to have two in there just in case. I have one set to 75 and the other set to 74. I am sure I will kill one eventually and wanted to have a failsafe. My water has been around 75.1 to about 75.8. It has been like that in the middle of the night, early morning, and in the evening. I know its kind of on the colder side, but I have been looking at a lot of the corals that I want, and fish, and they all seem to want it on the colder end. I know some people on here run them pretty hot around 80 (hot compared to where I am. I don't know what the ocean temp is and have no biology knowledge). I think that any temperature, within that range would work, as long as its consistent. I heat up my salt water when I do a water change, but I don't heat my ATO water. It just streams in and I have not seen it drop the water temp because it does maybe a 2 second stream every hour. Thanks! Marcos ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: relethg
Date Posted: January 29 2015 at 12:31pm
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Same heaters I have. Where do you have them? ------------- 210 G Filled 18 Mar 15 120 G Filled 11 Jun 16 |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: January 29 2015 at 12:37pm
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I have them in the sump. One by the skimmer and the other in the middle compartment, right before the return compartment. I have my temp gauge in the return compartment. Thats where I want to see what the temp is of the water going in. Not sure if thats right, but everything is alive so far.
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Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: February 01 2015 at 7:00pm
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Update: Added the following items: 1x Elegance Coral 2x Frogspawn Sand Sifting Sea Star The starfish is kind of boring. He spends a lot of his time outside of the sand and mostly disappears at night. I was hoping he would be away all day doing his sand thing. Also, I am pretty sure my toadstool leather has died. I woke up and the candy cane coral was on it. I assume the candy cane fell from above and landed on it, and stung it to death. As well, the candy cane has still not opened up since I brought it home. It was not even open at the store. The candy cane has been in the tank 9 days and it has not opened up. At night, tentacles come out to catch food but during the day it looks dead. Its still very bright green but its just not extending, if that makes sense. I have moved it from lower flow/less light areas to higher flow/more light areas. It performs the same in each spot. I have also fed it a few times brine shrimp/mysis. Any suggestions on meds to give it incase it has a decease? Marcos ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: Bryce
Date Posted: February 01 2015 at 8:41pm
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My advice would be stop buying corals, im sure you do not want to hear that but if the candy canes have not done well even if they were not doing well when you bought them that adding even more picky corals like frogspawn and elegance is not going to work out but candy canes typically only extend tenticals at night. Leathers (toadstool) will shed, it is possible it looks dead but is just pissed off and gone into a shedding mode. Leathers are extremely tolerant coral that can be stung, ripped, cut to pieces and recover just fine. If not and its truely dead, I would remove the leather as you do not want that decomposing in your tank. ------------- 65g Reef |
Posted By: relethg
Date Posted: February 01 2015 at 9:04pm
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Could we see some pictures; FTS and close ups of the corals? ------------- 210 G Filled 18 Mar 15 120 G Filled 11 Jun 16 |
Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: February 01 2015 at 10:44pm
 My wife would like to strangle me for the incidents over the years where I killed animals because of my impatience.Aloha, Mark  808-345-1049 text/call ahead P.S. There is an ancient but Good Book which gives the very basic steps for creating a reef aquarium: land-water -> day-night -> plants -> animals  ------------- Reefkeeping Tips, & quick, easy setup tricks: www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244 Pay it forward - become a paid WMAS member 
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Posted By: Molli
Date Posted: February 02 2015 at 12:59am
| What are your calcium alkalinity and mag levels. Did you read up on the starfish and realize they will eat all the good stuff in your sandbed. Also before adding a tang please do your research on what kind of tang can be happy in your size tank. Adding a tang that needs more swim room than your tank can provide will lead to aggression problems. |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: February 02 2015 at 5:56pm
Hi Bryce, Thanks for the advice. We have stopped buying stuff and the few things I added were because I read that they were hardy. I know a lot of people have opinions about what will live and what does really bad. I could be wrong, but I have bought a few things that looked like crap at the LFS and I brought them home and they do better. But it could be luck. I have seen several systems that are all run so different, yet, they all perform perfectly on all levels. I bought an acan that looked very nice and I am pretty sure its on the brink of death. What is confusing to me is most sites will classify stuff like easy/medium and others hard/expert yet some new tanks have stuff that is expert and lives and easy stuff that dies. After seeing what so many people have in their tanks, I see its not as black and white as I thought. I have not yet seen Mark's but his systems seem to be run different than most, however, they appear to run just as well. I cannot figure out the candy cane and I am going to keep dipping it for a few days to see what happens. I am not worried if it dies since it does not have a brain, I mostly care about the fish. The tentacles come out at night and are pretty long, maybe .5". I exaggerated about the leather. It looked "dead" but it was not dead. I was looking at images of dead ones and they curl up and shrink. I think it was stung by something because there are two new spots on it but for the most part the main part is doing better. The tentacles are out now on most of it. Long story short, thanks for the advice. I have postponed adding more living things to the tank (except for one fish) while I concentrate on fine tuning the elements. I said that last week too but things are too damn hard to resist. I am pretty sure I won't add anything else for a long time though. Thanks! Marcos
Hey Glenn, I forgot my camera again, so I will upload crappy iPhone pics in a moment. What is an FTS? Marcos
Hi Mark, Thank you. I agree on slowing down but its so hard to stop. I think I will just stay away from the LFS so I am not tempted. Maybe next time I will do a fish only system as they seem to get going a little quicker. I am going to hold off on the fish for this week. I was supposed to pick him up tonight but will wait until Saturday. That should buy an extra week. I plan on growing some cheetos once I get a chance to redo my sump. It has a couple of compartments that should really be one. Thanks! Marcos
Hi Molli Thanks for your message. I did research the tang and the starfish. The starfish is a tricky one. There are a ton of people who say don't add one, a ton who say to add one. Tons of sites say they eat the good bacteria, tons say they eat detritus only, and tons say they will eat leftover food. I am trying to find a scientific site that talks about what they eat, what damage they cause, ect. I plan on only having the startfish a short time. Enough to just eat all the detritus I have and then its gone. Whats your opinion on it? I am leaning towards giving it away sooner than later since its already cleaned up and I don't want to over clean. The tang I research a lot. Its probably the smaller tang, compared to a blue or yellow. The kole eye tang needs about 70G versus a hippo or yellow needing hundreds. Of course, you could add a baby sized one and always give it away when its almost too big. Calc is 390 PPM dkh is 7.8 Mag is 1400 I am not dosing and only getting that from water changes. Marcos ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: February 02 2015 at 6:04pm
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Some images. The toadstool is recovering from the sting (I am guessing its a sting) http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7455_zpsc8e29eef.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7463_zps5d75c0b1.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  Chalice: http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7462_zpsf9d7b54a.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  Frogspawn: http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7459_zpsb99f7ca7.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  Hammer: http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7461_zpsf989c954.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  Elegance: http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7458_zps9d5d6af5.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  Brain: http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7457_zps42e7f03e.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  I forgot what this is: http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7467_zpsd38bce2d.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  Pain in the arse candy cane (this is what it looks like until night. At night it looks like this but with tentacles): http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7472_zps7089ab68.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7473_zpsd3abde55.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: relethg
Date Posted: February 02 2015 at 6:29pm
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FTS = full tank shot. ------------- 210 G Filled 18 Mar 15 120 G Filled 11 Jun 16 |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: February 02 2015 at 6:45pm
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Pardon the mess, still gathering art and furniture for this room. http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7477_zps96c6d279.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7478_zpsea3b8180.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7474_zpsbf15cf5c.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  You can see what I am calling the tentacles sticking out here: http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7479_zps2e006faa.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: Bryce
Date Posted: February 02 2015 at 7:01pm
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Candy canes look fine to me, leather looks like its going to shed/molt and should be fine, the hammer doesn't look too happy but not anything critical. ------------- 65g Reef |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: February 02 2015 at 7:09pm
Thanks man! I appreciate your honesty. The hammer actually came with two of those things missing. It has like four trunks and only two were alive Marcos ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: Bryce
Date Posted: February 02 2015 at 7:11pm
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Yea the alive ones should be extended a lot more but may just be settling in. ------------- 65g Reef |
Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: February 03 2015 at 4:17am
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From the movie Star Trek - The Voyage Home Spock: To hunt a species to extinction is not logical. Dr. Gillian Taylor: Whoever said the human race was logical? Dr. Gillian Taylor: I don't know about you, but my compassion for someone is not limited to my estimate of their intelligence. Excerpt from the Wasatch Marine Aquarium Society Mission Statement The Wasatch Marine Aquarium Society (WMAS) is a non-profit organization dedicated to the support of the hobby of marine aquarium keeping. We believe in conservation of coral reefs by promoting captive breeding and propagation of marine creatures and developing natural marine environments for our specimens. We promote responsibility and education of marine hobbyists. Do we pause to consider that Coral are living animals just like fish, and humans? I believe that all life on a reef [aquarium] is precious, even the algae, bacteria and bugs living in and on Rock and Substrate. I don't know about you, but I believe all life deserves our respect and our care. We are the stewards of our aquariums and in a larger sense we have stewardship of our planet. Aloha, Mark
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Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: February 03 2015 at 8:01am
Oh I see. I looked up images online and I do see how mine have poor extension. Thanks for seeing that. You see a lot in my crappy pictures. Thanks!
Mark I should not be as vague in my statements knowing that you will likely read it. I did not mean for my response to be so black and white. I simply care, a lot, a lot less, if a coral dies versus a fish. This does not mean that I do not value its life, but I value it extremely low on the totem pole of living things. I care about all living things and am doing my best to ensure everything is comfortable in my tank, etc. However, if you or I really cared as much as we say, it would likely not be a good idea to even attempt to be an aquarium owner. We both know that at some point something will go wrong and we will kill something. For instance, you are growing the algae you love to feed it/kill it, by giving it to your fish. Its hard to draw a line about how much respect you are really giving the algae. I am certainly not saying you shouldn't do that, but your statement seems contradictory to me. That said, thanks for your input and for reading my .02 cents. Marcos ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: Pete Moss
Date Posted: February 03 2015 at 10:19am
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If the tentacles are out on the candy cane coral, I'd recommend feeding it manually with tongs and small pieces of shrimp. Poor lil' guy is hungry. The dead parts of the hammer coral can be cut off if you find them unsightly :) ------------- 125g 90g 2x33g 34g What stores do I recommend? Up North: Bill ( Saltwater Paradise 801-317-8115 ) Down South: Jerry ( Reef On 801-563-0600 ) Member of GCFB |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: February 03 2015 at 10:50am
Hi Pete, Thanks for the info. I do feed it hard food, like mysis shrimp and other stuff, once a day (but just one little piece). I feed it Reef Energy once a day too (prior to giving it the hard food), which is just a liquid that gets the tentacles all excited, and I feed Reef Roids once every four days (I don't give them hard food that day). Is that not enough food? Thanks Pete! Marcos PS. Thanks for the comment on the hammer! Its so ugly and was afraid to chop that piece off. But its clearly dead so I will. ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: February 03 2015 at 10:51am
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I agree. It certainly can be a conundrum. After pondering it quite a lot (I eat a plant based diet), I have come to the realization that the purpose for many living things is to be eaten and provide nourishment for other living things. As far as a "totem pole", it is common to consider algae/plants as the basis of life. One might say that without plants, animals would cease to exist. Yet in fact, without animals, plants might also cease to exist. With this in mind, maybe it would be worthwhile to say that all living things have equal value. The circle of life as it were. Anyway, that's my opinion and 2 cents. Aloha ------------- Reefkeeping Tips, & quick, easy setup tricks: www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244 Pay it forward - become a paid WMAS member
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Posted By: proskier101
Date Posted: February 03 2015 at 11:00am
| pretty sure that thing you didnt know or forgot the name of is a flower pot coral. |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: February 03 2015 at 11:03am
Touche. I cannot argue that as that is perfectly valid. Marcos ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: February 03 2015 at 11:09am
Thanks! I Google'd it and it looks like what I have. Thanks! Marcos ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: Pete Moss
Date Posted: February 03 2015 at 11:16am
That is plenty of food yes, just wasn't sure if you were currently feeding it. It does look a little sad. Something must be off in parameters or lighting. And yes, dead skeleton on the hammer coral can be removed, just be careful not to harm the healthy tissue :) ------------- 125g 90g 2x33g 34g What stores do I recommend? Up North: Bill ( Saltwater Paradise 801-317-8115 ) Down South: Jerry ( Reef On 801-563-0600 ) Member of GCFB |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: February 04 2015 at 6:51pm
I added a second Kessil today and it makes a massive difference. I had no idea half of the tank was dark. Woops. Ha. I am hoping this helps. I moved it toward one of the highest part. Deal on removing the dead skeleton and leaving the healthy tissue alone Marcos ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: March 05 2015 at 12:48pm
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... a month and a half in and I have my first fatalities. It was much more difficult than I thought it would be. My wife and I were sad when they died, not like a pet dog/cat sad, but still sad. I bought a fish last Saturday that seemed healthy and fine, but I suspect he spread Ich around in my tank like Ebola. The day before last, Mona, our kole tang just died. She was fine in the morning, no visible signs of anything and eating healthy, but I came home to find her between two rocks. At first I thought she had somehow gotten stuck or smashed, but I was able to easily pull her our with tongs, so I knew she was not smashed. I thought it was a fluke so I visually inspected everything else in my tank, my five other fish, and all seemed well. They were all eating, being just as active, and everything was great. So, I wake up the next morning and One Dot, one of our clown fish is dead. At this point I know something is horribly wrong and that Mona was not smashed. I immediately ran to Petsmart and put together a very comfortable, yet tiny, 6 gallon quarantine tank and wrangled Lip, the remaining clown, and placed him in the tank. I dosed as much as I could of the Ich medicine and he seemed fine. I woke up early in the morning to find Lip dead. The tank had a slowly raise temp of 79/80 and there was great movement/oxygen exchange. So, I have three fish left in my tank and I realize I need to get them out and treat. I have read that the tank can be clean again after about 3-4 weeks, but that is assuming I can get the fish out and treated. The problem is I have two pajama cardinals and a spotted dragonet that I cannot get out for the life of me. They keep hiding in rock work even when I move it out of the way. I am afraid to move too much and disturb the sand bed to only cause more issues. So, for now, I am really hoping the pajamas and the dragonet, even though I hate him because I am blaming him for deaths (even though its impossible to know if it was him), survive. I will set up a trap and see if I can get them out. So far I have not found any Ich meds that I can put in the tank that won't claim to cause bigger issues. Besides the Ich being a real pain in the ass, everything else is great. I have read that Ich cannot host coral or cause any other issues, besides the obvious killing of fish, so I am thinking that the tank looking great is not the calm before the storm. Takeaways: Vet fish out to make sure they are doing well at store. ReefOn model of days in store/versus out of ocean. Quarantine in-house. Only buy fish from copper treated tanks, to further reduce Ich liability. I realize Ich has a myriad of triggers but I have not really changed anything in the tank and the parameters have been steady. The only new addition is the dragonet. Marcos ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: relethg
Date Posted: March 05 2015 at 12:59pm
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I would post the above in the emergency area. I think you will get more action. Sorry for your lose. ------------- 210 G Filled 18 Mar 15 120 G Filled 11 Jun 16 |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: March 05 2015 at 1:08pm
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Thanks Glenn. I am pretty confident it was Ich versus Velvet or anything else. Lip had many white spots last night and he was kind of shedding them. ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: Bryce
Date Posted: March 05 2015 at 1:29pm
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You blame the dragonet for ich? From what I know they are very ich resistant due to their slime. Some blame, some may argue all, should be based on the choice not to quarantine. Sorry for your loses, I did the same thing, 3 times, after that all new fish got a 6 week quarantine with copper and prazipro for some of that period. ------------- 65g Reef |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: March 05 2015 at 1:33pm
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Thanks for your message. I blame him only because he is new. I don't truly blame him though since its impossible to know what gave it to them. For all I know my dogs may have been jumping in front of the tank and intimated/scared the fish into Ich. I hope the dragonet has a higher chance of survival if they are more resistant. I'd hate to see him die too. Yeah, from now on, everything is quarantined. I knew about copper but will research PraziPro. Thanks for the info! Marcos ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: relethg
Date Posted: March 05 2015 at 1:53pm
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I would like to see this topic covered in a meeting in the near future (by ReefdUp). I had every intention of doing QT for all livestock. Bought the tanks and set them up, but could only kill fish in them. So I stopped and have been careful about the fish I put in the tanks, but know it is just a matter of time before I introduce something into the DT. Glenn ------------- 210 G Filled 18 Mar 15 120 G Filled 11 Jun 16 |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: March 05 2015 at 1:56pm
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Brilliant idea Glenn. I wondered if maybe he died in the QT as well, not Ich related. I know the basics of it but since it was not a full time QT I was not sure how much cycled water to add versus how much new. I did half and half since I did not want to bring dirty/Ich water into the tank I am trying to treat it for. I'd like to know thoughts on the water to have, etc. What I am thinking of doing is keep a small rock and small cup of sand in my sump to drag over to the QT when I set it up. This way it has some items from the main display. And I will just let the QT run for a few weeks empty/without meds if I bring the small rock/sand back. ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: March 05 2015 at 3:02pm
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ReefdUp's extensive QT procedure is outlined in a Reefkeeping Tip. It was a very good discussion of this very thing by several hobbyists. Click on the link below in my sig line. Also see the link in that same area about an effective treatment for fish without having to QT. Aloha, Mark 808-345-1049 text/call anytime ------------- Reefkeeping Tips, & quick, easy setup tricks: www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244 Pay it forward - become a paid WMAS member
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Posted By: relethg
Date Posted: March 05 2015 at 3:30pm
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Yes I even contacted her and used her method. I think her method is a good one but I can not do it successfully. Sometime us new folks need our hands held. ------------- 210 G Filled 18 Mar 15 120 G Filled 11 Jun 16 |
Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: March 06 2015 at 9:02am
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My 2 cents: Putting my engineering hat on; The more complicated the process, the more risk of failure, or in other words, KISS. Living organisms, as complicated as they are have a high risk of failure, yet also have many back up components for self correction and repair, or in other words, have enormous power to heal themselves. That's why MarksReef Garlic Oil Treatment is often effective. http://utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71349" rel="nofollow - http://utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71349 Because it is so simple, is dosed without removing the fish from the aquarium, and can work overnight, it just makes sense to give it a go. Aloha, Mark 808-345-1049 ------------- Reefkeeping Tips, & quick, easy setup tricks: www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244 Pay it forward - become a paid WMAS member
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Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: March 07 2015 at 10:43am
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Mark, I am trying garlic now, as of a couple of days ago, on the survivors. I cannot get them out and cannot find/or build an effective trap. I am hoping this helps. It will be hard to tell, but so far they seem to be doing better and are not dead. Either way, I will be giving them garlic in the future as well. They really go AS for their food and it makes me confident that they are all eating. Marcos ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: Kimlafeiet
Date Posted: March 09 2015 at 2:27pm
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Hi Marcos,
Can I ask where you got your ato cabinet from? I am looking for something similar to house my ATO tank.
Also, how are you liking the Gyre? I will be downgrading soon and am debating between keeping my MP10 and adding a 2nd one, or just going with the gyre.
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Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: March 09 2015 at 3:59pm
Hello, that is actually a cabinet from Ikea. Its just a cabinet they sell that I added doors to. Its one of those modular units that you can add shelves too, take away doors, etc. I simply left the one side without any shelves and have a 10G tank in it. It keeps my tank fully topped off for about 6-7 days. The other side has shelves that I keep testing supplies in, food, tools, etc. As far as the Gyre; I'm not sure I am the best to give you an opinion since it is all I have had and all that I know. I love it and it has a ton of flow, too much that I turned it down to 50% and have it aiming towards the top of the tank. I do not have anything to compare it to though. I am building a new tank with an MP10, or maybe two, and I will know which I like the most when that is complete... I'll be sure to post my feedback on each one once I have experienced them both equally. Marcos ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: March 29 2015 at 6:48pm
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Wow, I cannot believe how time flies. I have added some new things here and there since I have made an update. I had a few other things, but all are dead now. It was the day we did the reef tour so the weather might have killed them. They all died from one store but looked decent once home. Still not sure what happened. Below are a couple of images. As you can see, I am still in the process of placing pieces and gluing down. I am happy with the zoas/palys, but need to figure out the rest. I need a home for the acans on the sand and a couple of other items. Some will obviously need to stay. http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7836%202_zpsydj8jdeb.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_7835%201_zpsbrnfm3nd.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  Below is a quick little video. The only lights running are the whites, hence, some of the colors don't pop as much as normal. Its very messy in there/cloudy since I did this right after a water change. https://youtu.be/bx-IjaBrG-c" rel="nofollow - VIDEO HERE Marcos ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: Reefer4Ever
Date Posted: March 29 2015 at 9:55pm
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Sorry to hear about the loss after being out all day. I love the rock in the tank as well as the dimensions. Very good looking tank. ------------- 90 gal reef w/refugium 24 gal softie tank 11 gal nano anemone tank 5 gal fresh water |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: March 30 2015 at 4:22pm
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Yeah, I was not prepared enough. I didn't think I would end up buying anything so I was not prepared. Luckily, some fellow at OCD Reefs gave us a little cooler which probably saved the lives of everything that did not die. ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: kellerexpress
Date Posted: November 09 2015 at 6:54pm
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How's this tank doing? ------------- IM 30L Kessil A160we x2 |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: November 09 2015 at 6:58pm
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It ended up cracking! So I had to start over a few months ago. I went bare bottom and ended up using MP pumps for better flow. So far so good! ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: November 16 2015 at 10:22am
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November 16 2015 | Quick video update. Currently with three or four fish. Yellow tang Six line wrasse Mystery wrasse Pygmy hawk fish (I have seen him twice in the last 6 weeks; last time around 1.5 weeks ago) I ended up losing my Molly Miller Blenny; despite every effort to keep the tank sealed, it must have crawled out. I have a screen top and even an overflow cover, but that poor little guy still got out. Very few corals in there now. Marcos ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: kellerexpress
Date Posted: November 16 2015 at 11:17am
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Looking good ------------- IM 30L Kessil A160we x2 |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: November 16 2015 at 11:32am
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Thank you Keller! When I have time, I will need to set things in place and glue down frags. I've been nervous to do too much since I had to restart. I essentially started from scratch since my tank was done for about 1 month, so I had a larger than just moving the tank cycle. So far all levels are stable and coraline is breaking out. ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: January 05 2016 at 5:44pm
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Debating if I should fill this tank up with just rock flowers, I am really liking how they look and they stay put for the most part... http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_0579_zpsh1lu1ejj.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  Also, I found this kind of interesting. Corals morph colors, but this little acan is morphing all by itself, from its main mini colony (they are all on the same rock). Even all the way expanded, like the others, it has a ton of green and blue; its turning into a rainbow with the LEDs. I see stuff morph a lot, but usually the whole colony morphs together. The one changing is not even under direct light. http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/shaffermarcos/media/IMG_0583_zpslisyk4hg.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |
Posted By: bstuver
Date Posted: January 05 2016 at 8:15pm
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It's probably changing because it's not getting as much light. In my experience with acans that lower ones in the colony tend to morph more and have more color. The rock flowers are awesome too! ------------- Jackie Stuver "wait these aren't the happy Hawaiians oompa doompa godly heaven on your face zoas? I dont want them then. lol!" Ksmart |
Posted By: Marcoss
Date Posted: January 08 2016 at 8:41am
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That makes sense! I'll have to keep an eye out on the others that are beneath the morphing one. Makes me want to keep them all in low light if they are going to look that nice... ------------- RedSea Max S400 - 90G Rimless Frag Tanks x2 - 185 Lookdown Bin |