150 Display 300 Total Volume Build
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Topic: 150 Display 300 Total Volume Build
Posted By: Mr.Gray
Subject: 150 Display 300 Total Volume Build
Date Posted: February 27 2013 at 1:04pm
 So I have been collecting equipment and coming up with ideas for a long time to come up with this system and it is finally time to start putting it together. Equipment so far: reef angel controller (I really like the open source since I love diy) 150 display 48x24x30T corner overflow. 30 frag 24x24x12 rimless center overflow Sump 2x 18g acrylic tanks 1x 40g acrylic tank isolation/water change 45g acrylic diy led (details in later post) reef octopus 5000 ext skimmer brs dual stage reactor brs 2 stage dosing mp10 frag tank mp40wes display (deciding if I want to go with another mp40 or seaswirl or build a variable powered system run off the main pump) Equipment to add: Reeflo dart hybrid uv or ozone???? (opinions please) Here are some sketches so you can get the idea of what's happening here.   Obviously no plumbing is shown and no skimmer yet... My biggest hangup right now is deciding what to do for my sump setup. I will be able to control the flow through the two 18g tanks to fast or slow. the final 40g tank will have to have a lot of current. Option: cryptic, dsb, all lr, all macro, or ???? (opinions much needed!) I can also add on to the sump system with more tanks if I want. I will get pics up of all the real items soon. But for now I am calling upon all the knowledgeable people to help me come up with a solid plan for my sump!!!! |
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Posted By: Mr.Gray
Date Posted: February 27 2013 at 1:06pm
All resealed and ready to go The rack everything will go on. (nothing is in it's place at this point.)  Oh and I already have my ro/di system setup in the basement with 100g ro on tap and 50g saltwater. It is being plumbed to my garage for easy water changes and auto top off. |
Posted By: Pete Moss
Date Posted: February 27 2013 at 1:08pm
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Super excited to see this build progress. ------------- 125g 90g 2x33g 34g What stores do I recommend? Up North: Bill ( Saltwater Paradise 801-317-8115 ) Down South: Jerry ( Reef On 801-563-0600 ) Member of GCFB |
Posted By: JohnnyHeavens
Date Posted: February 27 2013 at 1:18pm
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UV = Aqua UltraViolet. Maybe the 57W. Good bulb life (~18mo) and flexible install options in both in/out direction and 1"-2" plumbing. ------------- @Home 300g System 150g-Cube Reef+60g Frag+WaterChange 150g Tall FOWLR RIP @Work RSM 130D w/LEDs txt anytime @ eightO1-seven5five-eighteen99 Scuba! PADI Pro DM/AI/TecDeep NSS/CDS-Full Cave Diver |
Posted By: Krazie4Acans
Date Posted: February 27 2013 at 1:22pm
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Whoa! That is a lot of separate water boxes? Curious to see how you "glue" it all together and keep it from leaking. :) ------------- My ocean. 90g (yup, won it!), 40g, 28g, & 10g Systems PADI Advanced Open Water http://utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=63568&title=krazies-nano-paradise" rel="nofollow - Tank Thread: |
Posted By: Mr.Gray
Date Posted: February 27 2013 at 1:27pm
Nothing will be glued together. the tanks are all going to be drilled and it will mainly be a gravity fed system to run water through everything. everything will have multiple inlets and overflows so that I can decide where the water goes and how fast it flows through every stage. For example if I do the first box as cryptic it will only flow 200gph however, the final box will flow 3500gph. |
Krazie4Acans wrote:Posted By: Mr.Gray
Date Posted: February 27 2013 at 1:31pm
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JohnnyHeavens, I like that UV system. But what are the pros and cons of using the uv over ozone. The ozone will be in my garage so I'm not worried about it leaking. Plus I like being able to control the ozone with the orp on the apex (which could be done with the uv as well I suppose). Do you run your UV 24/7? And do you by chance monitor your system with an orp probe to see how it reacts when running vs. not? thanks CJ |
Posted By: Krazie4Acans
Date Posted: February 27 2013 at 1:33pm
3500Gph through a 40G? Get out your surf boards boys this is going to be a ride! LOL Got my stick out and my wax in hand. Going along for the ride. ------------- My ocean. 90g (yup, won it!), 40g, 28g, & 10g Systems PADI Advanced Open Water http://utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=63568&title=krazies-nano-paradise" rel="nofollow - Tank Thread: |
Posted By: Mr.Gray
Date Posted: February 27 2013 at 1:43pm
| Yes the last tank will just bassicly feed the pump. The flow from the pump will be going to the 150 display, 30 frag, reactors, uv?, and iso tank. So it's not like I am going to be making huge waves anywhere that matters. I think you are confused somewhere, it is not uncommon for people to run a reeflo dart to power large systems. |
Posted By: Krazie4Acans
Date Posted: February 27 2013 at 1:50pm
No but Most of the ones I've seen have sumps larger than 40G. I'm all for the build don't get me wrong. That just seems like a lot of flow through a 40 to me. I'm not the guru by any means. That's why I'm along for the ride (sarcasm and all) to see how it works and what I might do with my next build. ------------- My ocean. 90g (yup, won it!), 40g, 28g, & 10g Systems PADI Advanced Open Water http://utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=63568&title=krazies-nano-paradise" rel="nofollow - Tank Thread: |
Posted By: Mr.Gray
Date Posted: February 27 2013 at 2:10pm
| I see where you are confused. For example if I used a 100 gallon tank for my sump I would traditionally separate it into 3 sections. 25g for feed, 50g for fuge, and 25g for return. And that is a "large" sump. In this system I have decided to split mine into separate tanks instead of just building baffles in one large tank. So whereas a 100g sump would have a capacity of about 25g to feed the pump mine will have 40g. I will probably even partition that off so that my water does not have to drop so far before my ato turns on. I will also be able to run a true capacity of around 80g of water through the sump system whereas if I were to use a 100g tank I would build my baffles so that it would be around 66%-75% full. |
Posted By: Krazie4Acans
Date Posted: February 27 2013 at 2:17pm
Ya I can see that. If you are running the sump that hard how do you handle power outage and backflow without over flowing the sump? ------------- My ocean. 90g (yup, won it!), 40g, 28g, & 10g Systems PADI Advanced Open Water http://utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=63568&title=krazies-nano-paradise" rel="nofollow - Tank Thread: |
Posted By: JohnnyHeavens
Date Posted: February 27 2013 at 2:23pm
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I run this unit 24/7 but I have created a "feed" mode on the Apex that turns my UV off for an hour. Probably doesn't matter much but when I add pods/live food to the sump or display it gives them a chance at making to the display. I'm running mine with relatively slow flow and thus it's strong exposure and would probably kill more complex organisms. I believe that at 3500gph you'd be in the reef safe range they suggest and wouldn't need (do I?) this type of effort. There are far smarter people than me that probably have better answers to this but... Advantage of UV? -Well you can't over dose UV vs ozone where you can. -Don't need oZone compatible gear/pipe/tubing. Advantage oZone? -UV only effects things in the water flow that goes through the UV and oZone could effect everything in the system. -No bulb to buy I run my UV inline after my return pump and right before going into the display. (I have a blowhole 1450) I am planning on moving it out to the garage with my water change portion of the loop where I will put it at the start of my sump Where in theory the now dead organisms can be more readily skimmed out before getting in the display. May not matter but it seems a sound theory that can't hurt. One thing that Brad at the Aquarium pointed out for me regarding install, plan on enough room to use the wiper (if you get it) and leave enough at the other end to replace the bulb without taking the whole unit out of the loop. Won't matter till you install but I wouldn't have done this right without the tip. ------------- @Home 300g System 150g-Cube Reef+60g Frag+WaterChange 150g Tall FOWLR RIP @Work RSM 130D w/LEDs txt anytime @ eightO1-seven5five-eighteen99 Scuba! PADI Pro DM/AI/TecDeep NSS/CDS-Full Cave Diver |
Posted By: Mr.Gray
Date Posted: February 27 2013 at 2:25pm
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Backflow should be minimal, and the last sump will have room. 40g is just how much water will be in there. There will be room for it to absorb another 20+ gallons without overflowing. Flow will be maintained in display and frag by battery backup on mp's. Thank you for the reply JohnnyHeavens! |
Posted By: Mr.Gray
Date Posted: March 01 2013 at 10:54pm
Another piece to the puzzle. Reef octopus 5000ext. Thanks Kody, it should work better than the extreme 250 I was going to use (for sale now if someone is interested).
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Posted By: Deluxe247
Date Posted: March 03 2013 at 1:23am
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I'm all for putting the sump in a different room. It makes it easier to access for maintenance, and reduces pump noise at the display tank. My sump is a composed of a 29 gal tank that drains into a 20 gal rubbermaid tote inside a larger tote. The whole thing works great! As for backflow, you just keep your return nozzles up near the water surface and they don't siphon off much when the main pump shuts off. ------------- 90G Mixed Reef |
Posted By: Mr.Gray
Date Posted: March 04 2013 at 4:59pm
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Led list Display: 3x 20w blue 445nm 3x 20w blue 453nm 3x 20w white 10k 3x 20w white 20k 4x 5w blue 468nm 4x 5w white 5500k 8x 3w red 660nm 4x 3w yellow 590nm 8x 3w green 520nm 8x 2.5w uv 415nm Frag: 4x 5w cool white 8k 4x 5w blue 442nm 4x 3w blue 468nm 2x 3w red 660nm 1x 3w yellow 590nm 2x 3w green 520nm 4x 2.5w uv 415nm Led's have not been assembled yet as I am waiting for my new reef angel controller to get here. Then it will be a whole lot of soldering for me! |
Posted By: Pete Moss
Date Posted: March 04 2013 at 5:02pm
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Awesome to see you incorporating 3w with the 20w. Really excited to see the lighting!! ------------- 125g 90g 2x33g 34g What stores do I recommend? Up North: Bill ( Saltwater Paradise 801-317-8115 ) Down South: Jerry ( Reef On 801-563-0600 ) Member of GCFB |
Posted By: Mr.Gray
Date Posted: March 04 2013 at 10:32pm
| Yeah i'm pretty excited to get everything assembled and start messing around with the programming! I started collecting stuff with the intent of just doing large multichip leds but the frequency options were too limited so I am using all the cree and phillips led's to get the full spectrum I want. |
Posted By: Mr.Gray
Date Posted: March 05 2013 at 10:46pm
led plan (bad rendering, just wanted to lay out the lights for even spread) color left to right on top row: 445nm, 10k, 453nm, 20k left to right second from top: 660nm, 520nm, 415nm, 590nm, 5k, and 468nm is the blue. Only 350W of led, I think I can get a little light through the 30" of water 
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Posted By: Mr.Gray
Date Posted: April 04 2013 at 11:05am
finally have a day to work on stuff. Setting up to start plumbing.
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Posted By: phys
Date Posted: April 04 2013 at 1:46pm
| How hard was it to reseal the tank? I just got a used 150 and it looks like I need to do the same. |
Posted By: Mr.Gray
Date Posted: April 04 2013 at 9:55pm
It's really not too hard. My advice is to not try and cut corners. make sure you redo all the silicone this includes removing the overflow too. Oh and use masking tape for clean lines. Imo it's well worth the peace of mind. and lmk if you have any other questions about it. |
Posted By: phys
Date Posted: April 04 2013 at 10:27pm
| Did you disassemble all the glass? If so, what did you use to align it again and hold it in place for reassembly? |
Posted By: Mr.Gray
Date Posted: April 04 2013 at 10:36pm
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you don't disassemble the glass you are just cutting the silicone from the corners and redoing that. You actually have to be careful not to cut into the silicon that is in between glass. i'd recommend looking on youtube, there are some good vids. just search aquarium silicone reseal. This should give you a good idea. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I3nNJ0PRhB0 |
Posted By: phys
Date Posted: April 04 2013 at 11:16pm
| Cool! Thanks for the help! |
Posted By: Mr.Gray
Date Posted: April 22 2013 at 9:05pm
 so close to adding water! |
Posted By: Bryce
Date Posted: April 22 2013 at 9:14pm
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whats going in that top tank, the big one blue background? how will you access it? Looks pretty tight. What are all those gate valve for not yet plumbed? going into the house? Looking good ------------- 65g Reef |
Posted By: Mr.Gray
Date Posted: April 22 2013 at 9:23pm
| the top one will mainly just be used for water changes and the grate above it can be removed for access if I close if off to use as qt. the valves will be going to skimmer, reactor, uv/ozone, and extras for??? and yes, this is all plumbed to a 150 dt and 30 frag in my front room. |
Posted By: kody72
Date Posted: April 22 2013 at 10:13pm
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Looks like fun did you order your plumbing through who I got mine from? ------------- http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=60612&title=kody72-fishroom" rel="nofollow - KODY72 FISHROOM BUILD 281g DT 187g Rimless Frag ATI PM lighting SRO DSCR-300ext 8013908179 |
Posted By: Mr.Gray
Date Posted: April 22 2013 at 10:37pm
| yeah I did. You can't beat their prices and quality. thanks for the referral. |
Posted By: JohnnyHeavens
Date Posted: April 25 2013 at 11:23am
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Looking good man! ------------- @Home 300g System 150g-Cube Reef+60g Frag+WaterChange 150g Tall FOWLR RIP @Work RSM 130D w/LEDs txt anytime @ eightO1-seven5five-eighteen99 Scuba! PADI Pro DM/AI/TecDeep NSS/CDS-Full Cave Diver |
Posted By: Mr.Gray
Date Posted: April 25 2013 at 12:25pm
| Thanks! I actually put water in yesteday. Luckily it was just tap water because there were a couple bulkheads leaking :/ I guess it's bound to happen when there's about 5,000 of them haha. |
Posted By: Mr.Gray
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 6:38pm
 yes that is water!  I am sick of plumbing...  yay rocks! |
Posted By: Mr.Gray
Date Posted: May 12 2013 at 5:44pm
 room with frag and display.  And my 10yo great dane acting as my new rug! |
Posted By: DMower
Date Posted: May 12 2013 at 7:19pm
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Nice! Looking good. ------------- 150 gal reef with 50 gal sump. Reef Octopus DCS-200 Skimmer. AI Sol Blues. |
Posted By: Bryce
Date Posted: May 12 2013 at 8:15pm
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The only problem I see is that TV in the middle, it just doesnt go...definately need another tank there......just kidding of course, looks awesome!
What is your plan to deal with temps in garage in summer/ winter? ------------- 65g Reef |
Posted By: Mr.Gray
Date Posted: May 12 2013 at 8:58pm
| I agree with you! i'd like a smaller tv and bigger tank ;) I am actually building a room around everything in the garage, just haven't gotten there yet. there will be an ac unit for the room plus I am building in a bunch of fans to blow onto the water that will be controlled by my reef angel in case the ac unit doesn't keep up. Heaters are multiple 250w jagers also controlled by reef angel. |
Posted By: Mr.Gray
Date Posted: June 15 2013 at 11:07pm
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update: Most everything is up and running. I still have a few things to finish but i have been able to happily support life! current stock list: fish: male blue jaw trigger magnificent foxface sailfin tang corris wrasse pair of platinum clowns school of 6 chromis sps: tyree sunset monti superman monti ora hawkins echinata rainbow stylo cali tort green milli rose milli red planet ora birds of paradise blueberry special biohazard leng si green w/ blue polyp monti cap lps: bleeding apple scoly mini scoly green/blue scoly jason fox grafted chalice christmas favia mia's pot of gold favia softies: none haha full tank shot |
Posted By: Mr.Gray
Date Posted: August 10 2013 at 9:22pm
 Ro reserve, water change, sw reserve, and ato system... Anyone in need of a custom setup to make your life easier? |
Posted By: phys
Date Posted: August 11 2013 at 1:08am
| Looks good!! The wiring.... Hate wires! Lol |