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Topic: "Frag Fest"

Posted By: Summertop
Subject: "Frag Fest"
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 10:36am

I thought the 2009 Frag fest was Awesome. But, I do have a few suggestions:

1. Auction.
I personally love the auction. I think it went quick and was fun. However, I think it would be cool to have an "Auction Table" set up before the meeting starts. The various items to be auctioned could be displayed on the table, maybe with a picture of it. That way people can see/find what they want before it starts. Then maybe they will bid higher on the item(s) they want.

2. Frags
A recurring question I was asked last night (and at every frag fest), was what do the acronyms mean. That's followed up by, "will it live in my system?" I suggest printing off a sheet for each table, that list the acronyms and gives a little care instructions for each Frag. I would also put up an extra table (with no frags on it) and have several "Acronym Sheets" at that table. A few presidency members/volunteers can sit at that table, so they are readily available to answer questions.

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Posted By: Summertop
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 10:37am

Oh, if we do the frag fest at my house again, I have a nice color printer on my wireless network.

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Posted By: Andreason
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 10:41am

Maybe having them sorted according to lighting even? A table for PC one for VHO and one for MH? Of course there would be some overlap and iffy choices but to narrow it down....

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 2:13pm

Or even the day before post up a sheet that we can print off that has the Acronym and lighting requirements. I would have grabbed more stuff but i had no clue what things where and by the time i found out they were gone . . .

Posted By: Andreason
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 2:48pm

Well, the club has no idea what is going to be donated until hours, or even minutes before the meeting. Pre-posting what will be there and requirements just isn't possible. I think the idea is that when they go over what was donated and the names and acronyms before the room is open, people will ask any questions they have and will be writing down which ones they want to look at. I got a piece of something I still have to identify.

hopefully it likes curious tangs and low flow! If it does not, other than killing an innocent creature, I am only out $5.

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Posted By: mermaidcamille
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 4:27pm

I am sure that the acronyms are used to save time, but they are so confusing in the mad rush! I am not sure that a cheat sheet would help a lot in the mad dash. Is it possible to drop the fancy names and instead simplify what it is? (Example: "Powder Puff Pepto Positively Pink Zoas" could be "Pink Zoas" instead of PPPPPZ." I know that my first frag fest I was very lost, as I am sure anyone would be who is new to the hobby. I am still mostly confused and overwhelmed by the tables. I was glad to see that Crystal was lost with it as well, makes me feel a little better.

Also what if we got some dot stickers to quickly show the level of difficulty? This would be great for anyone that was new. They would know that anything with a “green” dot is good, but avoid “red” dots.

Posted By: Acrid
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 4:43pm

mermaidcamille wrote:

This is a very good idea!

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Posted By: Shane H
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 4:47pm

Camille - its all about marketing. What sounds more appealing: zoanthid frag (brown center, brown skirt)? Or LE decadent chocolate love zoanthid frag? We have to have a way to make the ordinary seem extraordinary - its the coral fragging way.

If Steve Tyree was dead - he'd be rolling over in his grave.

The acronyms are used to save time and avoid having to write a whole name on a rather small bag. But your point is well taken. We did sort the corals based on lighting requirements at one frag fest. People complained that the high light table was too crowded and they didn't get any of the good stuff. I really like the color dot stickers for difficuly though. As long as they stick to wet plastic bags!

Great improvement ideas! Keep them coming.

Posted By: Shane H
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 4:51pm

We may also want to encourage peole to bring a pen and paper and write down the acronyms of the corals they like during the presentation. They could raise their hand and ask questions about husbandry requirements and make a decision before they enter the coral room if a particularly marked coral would work for their specific aquarium needs.

Nah - thats just crazy talk .... nevermind.

(sarcasm very much implied)

Posted By: Bluespotjawfish
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 6:04pm

I'd recommend a cheat sheet you give out before the presentation, then they can make notes or highlight the ones of interest on that.

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Posted By: Debbles
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 6:23pm

Bluespotjawfish wrote:

I'd recommend a cheat sheet you give out before the presentation, then they can make notes or highlight the ones of interest on that.

Great idea!

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Posted By: mermaidcamille
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 9:14pm

Shane H wrote:

Camille - its all about marketing. What sounds more appealing: zoanthid frag (brown center, brown skirt)? Or LE decadent chocolate love zoanthid frag? We have to have a way to make the ordinary seem extraordinary - its the coral fragging way.

If Steve Tyree was dead - he'd be rolling over in his grave.

Great improvement ideas! Keep them coming.

I would gladly donate my mad handwriting skills to the cause. Marketing?! Again if I can't figure out what "KIEKSX" means so much for marketing

. My first frag fest I did write down codes on a paper but ended up feeling a little like that kid on A Christmas Story with his decoder ring.

Posted By: Shane H
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 10:11pm

Marketing?! Again if I can't figure out what "KIEKSX" means so much for marketing.

You're right on there. Next time, no cool names and full descriptions on each 2 inch bag.

The acronym GTS will become "sarcophyton alcyonidae" written 30 times on wet plastic bags with a sharpie. (just remember, you volunteered to write)

Posted By: jfinch
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 10:14pm

Man I really like the new Shane!

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Posted By: mermaidcamille
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 10:25pm

I miss nice passive Shane.

I am okay with "Giant Toad Stool." I think that is the only one I actually knew last night.

I will be happy to write that or "GTS-toad stool" and that way you can keep your marketing shenanigans and I can tell what I am picking up. However, if you would like the scientific name I would be happy to bring an extra sharpie and you can help me out.

Posted By: Shane H
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 10:44pm

New year - new attitude! Oh - and I was never passive - I just spouted off behind the scenes and not on the board. Again - new year, new attitude.

I'm sure we'll be able to incorporate some improvements to the frag fest. But let me explain how this works for me - Monday night - drive to Hyrum to pick up donations - major snow storm, truck breaks down in Sardine Canyon (Wellsville side). Friday - spend all morning working on a wet and filthy truck that I towed from Logan late Monday night. Don't worry corals were delivered home to make sure they didn't get cold (extra round trip through canyon). Get truck running (distributor cap and rotor) race around to LFS on the way to Shawns grabbing corals and pimping the club.

Spend 4 or 5 hours fragging and bagging and marking - loved hanging with some super cool fish nerds. Leave for the meeting - spend the next hour shoveling snow, setting up chairs / tables, organizing 100s of frags, re-bag leakers, mark up donations, make sure people get their dots, FRAG FEST, clean tables, put away chairs, pick up the bathrooms (is it that hard to hit the garbage can with the paper towels), eat dinner with some super cool fish nerds, drive home and climb in bed for my 4.5 hours of sleep.

Posted By: Shane H
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 10:47pm

So - you can imagine the acronyms seem like a small detail in the whole scheme of my day.

And remember - this was just my day. We had a dozen others with similar stories ....

Posted By: jfinch
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 11:36pm

Still likin' the new Shane!

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Posted By: mermaidcamille
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 8:57am

Shane H wrote:

So - you can imagine the acronyms seem like a small detail in the whole scheme of my day.

And remember - this was just my day. We had a dozen others with similar stories ....

Again, I am happy to take that part off your hands and help you out and make one less thing for you do. I appreciate all your hard work more than you know the frag fest was awesome.

I do like the more lively Shane by the way, he has a lot of spunk.

Posted By: EagleEyez5
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 10:50am

Shane H wrote:

New year - new attitude! Oh - and I was never passive - I just spouted off behind the scenes and not on the board. Again - new year, new attitude.

All the more reason to do a FRAG SWAP instead of a frag fest.

Then you could ask the people who are sitting behind the table what kind of light requirements, the scientific name, as well as the cool 'marketing name' of each coral.

Not to mention then someone looking to buy corals could have a chance at the 'in your dreams' Blue enchinada. I am sure there would be allot more frags and greater variety at a FRAG SWAP. People could even list what they will be offering here on this site before the meeting so that questions could be asked before even showing up for the 'BLACK TUESDAY' smash and grab sale.

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Posted By: Andreason
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 10:53am

Do frag swaps raise money for the club? How does that work?

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Posted By: tazman1982
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 10:55am

How would me trading my frogspawn for your zoos help the club? It helps you and me which is good but the club helps many not just 1 or 2

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Posted By: Adam Blundell
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 11:16am

We do have swaps every once in a while. But as said, in the past they were not fund raisers they were just open meetings for people to set up tables and trade. We considered selling table space, but we didn't want to discourage anyone from coming with frags to trade (not wanting to rent table space). We also considered charging admission or charging a percent of sales, or smething like that. Again, we didn't want to discourage people from coming and trading and selling. So instead we just made it free.

I'm sure we'll do that again sometime this year.

Adam

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Posted By: jpiotrowski
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 11:40am

One of the objects of a coral swap would be to have better (higher end) corals and you could trade 15-20 frogspawn heads for a 1" high end coral.

Posted By: bannshy
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 11:51am

css_styles/classic/default_style.css - I am frustrated by the attitude that some have that these need to be fundraisers only.

I am trying to figure out, if this club exists to make money or if this club exists for the members. I know speakers cost money. I know the club has expenses. I really believe we need to have fund raisers. I wish it was more clear what our goals were like we need $2,000 for this speaker or what ever. I know this is me rambling but some meetings should be about the members and not how much the club should make.

Posted By: bannshy
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 11:52am

Does anyone know why some of my posts become hyperlinks?

Posted By: Eventine
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 12:04pm

I would say most of the meetings are for the members. There are really only a couple events in the year to make the money to run the club. It just so happens we had one to end the year and one to start the year so it seems thats all there has been lately.

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Posted By: ssilcox
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 12:08pm

The club needs to make money, plain and simple. If we didnt have frag fests - the club would not be able to bring in any speakers, rent the very nice facility we meet in, etc etc. The club cannot afford to not to have frag fests if it wants to survive. What the heck is the big deal - every year we have frag fests - and most years we have equipment swaps/frag trade meetings. What is the big issue all the sudden about this meeting?

Is it just because the board has been so wonderfully drama free?

Posted By: EagleEyez5
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 12:08pm

Ok, to better explain what I mean is:

Allow people to come and sell their corals, charge a cover fee at the door, have a raffle, and give a percentage of what you sell to the club. So maybe call it a frag swapMEET instead of FRAG SWAP.

Does that help explain what I meant?

Even if it is 10% of the sale price goes to the club, imagine how much more the club would make by allowing you to buy some of these:

While still offering the other stuff. Even have a table set up so that things can be donated to the club, and the club sells them and keeps all the money from that table.

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Posted By: sukie
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 12:13pm

bannshy wrote:

css_styles/classic/default_style.css -

Posted By: mermaidcamille
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 12:15pm

I would even argue that most members benefit from the fundraisers that they choose to participate in. I love the frag fests because I can get corals at a very affordable price 1-2 times a year.

Posted By: Shane H
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 12:16pm

Jeremy,

Give me a break. You're really trying to figure out "if the club exists to make money or if this club exists for its members"? The frag fest is about raising funds. They are a huge PITA and if we had a better way to raise money (like say raising membership dues to $100 or charging guests to use our board to sale equipment and frags) then we could avoid them.

We hold two or maybe three fundraising meetings per year - all the others cost us money is some way or another. If you have a better method to raise money - we're all ears ....

Posted By: Eventine
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 12:17pm

Plus its exciting to see what you really got...We bought something labeled Wang Doodle like 6 months ago or so. It was very odd looking but it turned out to be the stump of an umbrella leather that is now growing out nicely.

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Posted By: Shane H
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 12:18pm

Sorry - I didn't see the other posts before I made mine.

Ignore my rant ....

Posted By: Debbles
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 12:22pm

The frag fest is for EVERYBODY not just people that want high end corals. We had several newbies at this fragfest that are nowhere near ready for high end stuff, nor would they have things to trade at a frag swap. We also have people like me that don't even like the high end stuff. It is great for people to come in and buy a frag for $5.

A coral swap would exclude people that didn't have something to trade or it would make people feel like their stuff wasn't high end enough.

And no this club is not just about raising money. It's about the members. We have 2 frag fests and a big raffle each year. That's 3 out of 12 meetings. We bring in about 3 speakers a year which costs money, the bbq costs money, the meeting place costs money. I don't think 3 fundraiser meetings a year is too much. Besides, those meetings also benefit the members. If people didn't want the frag fest it wouldn't look like this:

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Posted By: sukie
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 12:26pm

EagleEyez5 wrote:

Ok, to better explain what I mean is:

Allow people to come and sell their corals, charge a cover fee at the door, have a raffle, and give a percentage of what you sell to the club. So maybe call it a frag swapMEET instead of FRAG SWAP.

Does that help explain what I meant?

Even if it is 10% of the sale price goes to the club, imagine how much more the club would make by allowing you to buy some of these:

While still offering the other stuff. Even have a table set up so that things can be donated to the club, and the club sells them and keeps all the money from that table.

Jerry, I don't think a FragSwap is a bad idea. Like Adam said we could or will have one this year.

This thread was basically setup to see if we can improve on the frag swap we have each year.

Posted By: EagleEyez5
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 12:28pm

You just got caught skimming instead of reading.

EagleEyez5 wrote:

While still offering the other stuff. Even have a table set up so that things can be donated to the club, and the club sells them and keeps all the money from that table.

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Posted By: Debbles
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 12:32pm

Ok, one of these for $100 club gets $10 (like you said, 10%). 1 person gets a frag

On the other hand. Sell 20 of these for the same amount of money ($100) the club makes $100 and 20 people go home happy. (nuff said)

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Posted By: EagleEyez5
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 12:33pm

sukie wrote:

Jerry, I don't think a FragSwap is a bad idea. Like Adam said we could or will have one this year.This thread was basically setup to see if we can improve on the frag swap we have each year.

My first post was just as a response to Shane's bad day and an alternative so that it would not happen again. My second post was just to explain my first after it was clear that I was misunderstood. And my third was to point out that I did not mean that people won't be able to buy kenya trees or even stop donating. And this one, is to explain what I have been trying to explain. So if you need more explicit explanations, call me, {because the board blocks those words.}

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Posted By: Eventine
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 12:36pm

EagleEyez5 wrote:

You just got caught skimming instead of reading.

EagleEyez5 wrote:

While still offering the other stuff. Even have a table set up so that things can be donated to the club, and the club sells them and keeps all the money from that table.

If skimming is bad why do so many people have skimmers in there sump? LOL

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Posted By: sukie
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 12:38pm

EagleEyez5 wrote:

Jerry in the wise words of Ricky Ricardo from I Heart

Lucy:

"Jerry you got some spainin' to do!"

Posted By: bannshy
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 12:49pm

I guess I got my answer. Thank you for being so candid. I will have to refrain from caring, it has no value to anyone.

Have a nice day in your sandbox.

Posted By: EagleEyez5
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 12:52pm

hey sukie, where were the snacks anyway? I had to leave earlier than I wanted because my little boy{being related to me} was eating my wife from the inside out.

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Posted By: Shane H
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 12:52pm

I'm in no way opposed to a swap. In fact, the swap meets we have had in the past, should be morphed into a frag swap - with some equipment available. I'm not into the designer corals and therefore that type of a deal doesn't appeal to me - but for those who are - a swap may be a good way to share corals among club members and provide an outlet for coral farmers in the club. Although - we pretty much do that every month before meetings ...

My reaction was not to Jerry's suggestions - just to Jeremy's comments - which I respectfully disagree with.

Posted By: EagleEyez5
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 12:54pm

Eventine wrote:

EagleEyez5 wrote:

You just got caught skimming instead of reading.

EagleEyez5 wrote:

While still offering the other stuff. Even have a table set up so that things can be donated to the club, and the club sells them and keeps all the money from that table.

If skimming is bad why do so many people have skimmers in there sump?Â LOL

Oh and I run two skimmers so that I won't miss anything

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Posted By: Adam Blundell
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 1:08pm

Wow look at all those posts. Let me see if I can help clarify the Frag Fest situation for everyone.

These events started out (many years ago) called Coral Propagation Seminars. The goal was to show people how to frag corals. The club would get a few corals and give demos. Over the years we started getting club members complaining that the meeting was "too educational" as fragging became common and most members no longer needed the demos.

We also received input from people asking for more corals, more frags, and more opportunities to buy a bunch of cheap frags. Thus began the beginning of the Frag Frest.

The Frag Fest is a favorite meeting for many people. In fact we always get people sending in pm's saying they loved it. The love the chance to get some new cheap frags. New hobbyists are still given a chance to learn from the demos, although we've heavily cut them back.

Regarding money, we have a couple issues. First, we have to charge something for the frags. If we just made them free the first couple people in the door would be grabbing them up. Second, we have to fund the club somehow, so this seems like a good way. But hey, if Larry H Miller gives the club 1.2 million... we'll start giving the frags away FREE! But until then we use Frag Fests to suppor the club. This frag fest was super successful and will carry the club for the next 6 months. It will pay for meeting rental, refreshments, February's speaker, prizes for the game night, and hopefully a new projector.

So in summary, the Frag Fests are always changing to meet the needs of the club members, and they serve multiple purposes.

Adam

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Posted By: sukie
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 1:15pm

EagleEyez5 wrote:

hey sukie, where were the snacks anyway? I had to leave earlier than I wanted because my little boy{being related to me} was eating my wife from the inside out.

She got snowed in. . . . Cry

I too missed the snacks. I mean I didn't really think I would miss something that is always provided every meeting.

Posted By: sukie
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 1:20pm

bannshy wrote:

I guess I got my answer. Thank you for being so candid. I will have to refrain from caring, it has no value to anyone.

Have a nice day in your sandbox.

Jeremy - please reread your post.

How many people donated their time or money to the club? The way you came across you pretty much negated all of that.

How else do you think we would react??

Posted By: dew2loud1
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 1:22pm

Couple questions what was the clubs total profit from this?

Was it worth it for the presidency members?

I've mentioned several times how successful fragswapper is,

Admission can be $5 per person, generally in both of our ohio swaps we had over 300 people (club profit $500 if 100 people show up that aren't selling, not unreasonable).

Now vendors were charged $10 (included your admission) and you got a five foot table space, we generally had a 10 gallon setup with frags in it. (Generally over 200 individual vendors (club profit at least $2000).

Now stores were also allowed to come setup most brought a decent frag tank with lighting, we had stores coming from FIVE states away, not unreasonable here as well. Vendors were charged $100-200 I believe. Normally at least ten or so vendors each got 20 feet of space (club profit $1000 and up) Vendors normally sold several thousand so it was well worth their while.

Now where the presidency comes in, donations were made from local vendors, national organizations, equipment manufacturers etc... These were all raffled off at a profit of generally around $1-5k.

People keep saying its not about high end corals well its not always, people sell kenya trees and mushrooms for five bucks, but we also dropped $1,000 on LE colonies and frags, we ended up with over 100 pieces. It gives a venue for everyone to be happy, honestly I have no reason to donate a $100 piece of LE undata to the club to sell and then fight a crowd to get beat up acro frags. This way everyone can shop for what they want.

It's free to setup on fragswapper and corals are listed with pictures a month or more in advance, this gives everyone time to presell and prebuy corals that they want, sellers can bag things up with names on them, buyers can budget ahead and everyone is happy.

On top of that you can sell hotdogs, sloppy joes etc, pop etc and make another $500 or more.
Best thing, no horror stories from everyone about how much a PITA it is to frag everything up, bag it, mark it, bring it to the meeting, organize it, watch it get picked through, then maybe the buyer is lucky and it makes it through the 12 hours of hell without dieing.

Both ohio clubs profits were generally $5,000-10,000 and everyone was happy....
I'm still confused why this seems such a big deal, yes its different from what you've been doing but it makes a heck of a lot more sense to me. Members are happy and can make some money and/or get the corals they want and the club makes money......

You can also turn it into an event with a speaker as well, check out the link for some ideas...
http://www.fragswapper.com/home.asp - http://www.fragswapper.com/home.asp

Posted By: Jeff Morrill
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 1:24pm

almost made it a week , Drama free. The fab 5 Strike again

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Posted By: EagleEyez5
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 1:25pm

sukie wrote:

EagleEyez5 wrote:

hey sukie, where were the snacks anyway? I had to leave earlier than I wanted because my little boy{being related to me} was eating my wife from the inside out.

She got snowed in. . . . Cry

Â I too missed the snacks.Â I mean I didn't really think I would miss something that is always provided every meeting.

I don't want all of those awesome eclairs to go to waste, tell her I will come pick them up today.

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Posted By: Adam Blundell
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 1:27pm

Again, to clarify-

I called Carolyn and told her we didn't need refreshments. On Frag Fest nights many people are looking to get their corals and get home quickly. We don't typically have people staying as late and therefore we never need all the refreshments on those nights. She offered to have someone else bring them to the meeting (my sister actually volunteered to get them) but again I told her it wasn't necessary.

dew2loud1- yes we know all about that. We have our own mini conference being planned for next fall and we'll have all sorts of tables and coral vendors and people coming from other states. But to answer your question, yes this was certainly well worth doing from a presidency point of view. This Frag Fest went off better than ever before and still brought in $2000. A very successful night all around.

Adam

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Posted By: dew2loud1
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 1:35pm

Thats good, I'm glad the club brought in a good amount of money,
It just seems that the way its setup now its putting undue amounts of work on the presidency, I know how stressful it is to frag things up and how long it takes and I have a ton of respect for everyone donating their time, I would have been there but had to work...

As the club grows and gets larger there are more and more opportunities to expand and I'm glad to see that we are hopefully doing just that.
If you need any help with the fall conference let me know I'll be glad to help out if I can.
I strongly recommend that we try the fragswapper format for it as well and see how it goes.

Posted By: EagleEyez5
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 1:40pm

Jeff Morrill wrote:

almost made it a week , Drama free. The fab 5 Strike again

Why don't you and I just finish this in the parking lot and then LET IT GO, obviously you have a problem with me so lets just get it over with.

All I want to do is make this club better, but every time I make a suggestion, you come out with some smart ass remark, or your wife bashes it, and I am tired of it. I am the one who should have a problem with you for all of the crap you pulled in the past with myself and my family, but I have let it go. If you can't let it go, then lets finish it so that you can.

If you think I am joking, then meet me somewhere and lets put an end to this crap. Quit hiding behind your keyboard.

{if memory serves me right, in middle school when guys fight, they are usually friends afterward}

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Posted By: sukie
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 1:41pm

Adam Blundell wrote:

Again, to clarify-

what!!! Adam now you know why I was so Da** grumpy at the meeting - those snacks keep me alive!!!

Heil told me she was snowed in. . . I feel lied to! Wink

Posted By: Andreason
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 1:47pm

I don't see the problem. Looks like we already plan to do both swaps and fests! We are lucky! I know things are not all laid out yet, but if members know it is coming up they can frag things way early to make sure they are looking good and well healed. Plus those who have ideas and suggestions can set aside some time to volunteer to help out and have more input into the process. So keep us updated on the date.

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Posted By: Debbles
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 1:52pm

EagleEyez5 wrote:

Jeff Morrill wrote:

almost made it a week , Drama free. The fab 5 Strike again

Excuse me, who is the one sending me smart ass pm's and putting your dumb ass sig lines up about me during elections? You are the one hiding behind the keyboard cutting me down all the time. What WE did to your family? Whoa, step back and rethink that one. And by the way, thanks for posting your threat for all to see. Your level of maturity just suprises me everyday.

Deb

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Yes Mikey...I still have fins!!!

Posted By: Adam Blundell
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 1:56pm

Okay I think I got all the suggestions. I'll print them off for the next pres meeting.

If anyone else has suggestions, please pm them to me.

Thanks

Adam

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