Whats happening to my zooa's
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Topic: Whats happening to my zooa's
Posted By: Guests
Subject: Whats happening to my zooa's
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 4:14pm
My zooa's have been looking like this for the last week or so does anyone know whats going on with them? Its just not the ones that are in the pictures there are a few others that are starting to go like this and ideas on how to fix it? Thanks for taking your time with this.
Tank:
NO2-0
NO3-0
NH3-0
PH-8.2
KH-9
PO4-.25
CA-460
salt- 1.026
temp-78
Thanks for looking and helping me out.
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Posted By: Mike Savage
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 4:18pm
I wish I knew. It doesn't look good. I hope someone knows what to do soon.
Mike
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 4:27pm
Your telling me that they dont look good there even worst looking in person.
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Posted By: Sculpin
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 5:04pm
Doesn't look like zoo pox, it just looks like they are dyeing. I stubbled on a HUGE thread off of Reef Central about dosing Vitamin C tablets (just the regular 1000 mg tablets from costco or whatever). They had some pics of some zooanthids looking the exact same way and they guy dosed with Vitamin C and over about 2 weeks they came back to full health. Heres the link (I hope it's ok to post links to another forum, if not sorry) - http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1252294&perpage=25&pagenumber=1 - http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1252294&perpage=25&pagenumber=1
Good luck, I would hate to loose a colony as beautiful as that.
Off topic- Questions for the mods, why do I keep getting weird A symbols when I post but when I go to edit they are not there?
Sculpin
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Posted By: Danner
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 5:12pm
here is the secret you give a frag to danner and with you being generous the zoos decide to fight for life. lol jk i hope you get it worked out
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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 5:13pm
Looks like something may be growing on it. Brush it with a toothbrush and then post another pic and tell us what brushed off. Normally these coral are very tough, and they seem to like a good brushing.
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Posted By: Sculpin
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 5:13pm
I found another link that might help with the vitamin C- http://www.athiel.com/lib2/pguide/vitami1.html#dose - http://www.athiel.com/lib2/pguide/vitami1.html#dose
Sculpin
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Posted By: Debbles
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 5:24pm
I have several zoo colony's that are doing the same thing. I had one whole colony of pink tonga zoos look like that and were dead within a week. I am going to try the brush thing.
Deb
------------- Yes Mikey...I still have fins!!!
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 5:34pm
Well I just pulled out my tooth brush and scrub them up and this is what they look like.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 7:16pm
Well after reading through most of that thread on RC I thought what the hell I will give it a try. I just dropped a 1000mg tablet in my sump. I will start out by 1000 X2a day then after a week I will go to 2000 X2 a day and see how it goes from there. I will keep everyone posted on the out come of it.
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Posted By: Mike Savage
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 9:27pm
I'm definitely interested in the outcome. I hope it is favorable.
Mike
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: October 27 2008 at 7:58am
Same here I will post picture updates on the Vit C outcome for everyone here local to see if it does work.
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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: October 27 2008 at 4:10pm
Man that looks worse than I thought. Looks to me like some sort of fungus and it seems to have spread over the entire colony. It's probably communicable too.
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Posted By: skimace7
Date Posted: October 27 2008 at 4:22pm
I hope you can figure it out... keep us posted!
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: October 27 2008 at 5:49pm
Well things are not looking better its gone to more heads on it. I will post some pictures here in just a few mins of it now. It looks like it has some small white spots on them also other than just the yellow color to them.
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Posted By: bannshy
Date Posted: October 27 2008 at 6:03pm
I would frag a piece that isn't showing the fungus and see if the frag opens when it is away from the source. you could frag off the infected area?
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Posted By: superman1981
Date Posted: October 27 2008 at 6:10pm
I just read the RC thread on Vitamin C... and I think I'm going to start trying this tonight. I have all but given up on Zoas, because nothing I do seems to keep them alive, and I'm sick of buying cool ones, only to watch them die... anyway, I'll keep everyone posted on what happens.
-Tim
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: October 27 2008 at 6:10pm
Some picture updates for everyone. Its not looking to well.
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Posted By: Mike Savage
Date Posted: October 27 2008 at 9:34pm
I would call Jared Butler (jbutler) and see what he advises.
Mike
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Posted By: Pinner Reef
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 2:27am
That definatly looks like zoa fungus. If you have the means to quarentine any infected coloines, do so. From what I understand it is very similar to normal fungus in that there are spores which can spread throughout a given system. I had limited luck with an Iodine then hydrogen peroxide dip on my outbreak.
Reading:
http://www.nano-reef.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=127258 - http://www.nano-reef.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=127258
Also there were some other threads on the subject over at RC.com
Good Luck
-pinner
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 6:58pm
Thanks for the link. There is some really great info on there. Im going to frag it and keep the good parts in my main tank the others I will set up a QT tank and give some of the meds that they say on there a try.
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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 8:28pm
I would think that your main tank has the fungus spread throughout. I'm not sure how you would get rid of it except to ride it out keeping no zoanthids for a while to see if it dies off.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 8:55pm
Well I have good news and bad news. The good news is that one the the heads on it is now open. The bad news is that I now have a new one that is closed up. Im keeping with the Vit C treatment plus I was told to give it a little extra iodine in the system. My plan is it keep them in the main system as Mark says but if it gets really bad I will pull it out and then try to do a frag to save one or two heads off of it because I really enjoy this one.
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Posted By: dustponds10
Date Posted: November 05 2008 at 2:49pm
It looks to me that it is either a fungus like others have mentioned. I have dosed with Vit C and had great results, it is a very inexpensive treatment but it also kind of really getts old dosing everyday. If the Vit C doesnt work I would treat with Furan-2. What Furan-2 does it attacks fungus'. Fresh water guys use it for discus and and other fungus'. I have had experience with using botha nd they both worked really well. I think I got all the info on Furan-2 and Vit C some where on Reef Central. I wish I could help more but I am going to be out of town for a week. Good luck and Ill keep my eye on this to see if you have more questions. Dustin
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ASM G-3
T-5 lighting
130 frag system
T-5 lighting
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 05 2008 at 6:15pm
Thanks Dustin I have been dosing Vit C for the last week and a half now. It has stopped spreading and what had it is now dead and falling off but all the others are looking great. I have seen some changes in all of them and one big one is more color. It seems like all of them have better color since dosing Vit C. I will try and take some pictures here in the next day or so and post them so everyone can see how its coming along.
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Posted By: idahreefer
Date Posted: November 05 2008 at 8:42pm
cut the frag away from the fungus asap!, you will be able to save the rest of the polyps, do a dip, and you should be good, the sick polyps will spread rapidly and melt your whole colony, you will know it's fungas if you smell the infected area, very stinky! good l ps...try not to save polyps close to the infected ones, save only good viable polyps.
------------- martin
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 12 2008 at 8:39pm
Well after a week of watching it die off I fragged it off. I fragged it way back just to make sure I got the healthy part. Also Im doing a Lugol's dip on it to so I fugure that should really help it out some. From going from the size it was down to about a 1/4 of it sucks but that is what I belive it came down to just to save them. I will post some pictures of how small of a frag I had to take it down and also just to keep everyone updated on how it goes.
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Posted By: Mike Savage
Date Posted: November 12 2008 at 10:32pm
Thanks for the update. I wish it was better news.
Mike
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 16 2008 at 11:08am
Well here are the pictures that I said I would post of it after fragging it. From the first picture it was larger than the one that is above it so you can tell how much that I ended up taking it down just to be safe. The other is just to show how happy they are now.
s
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Posted By: bannshy
Date Posted: November 16 2008 at 11:11am
are you still puting Vitamin C in your tank?
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 16 2008 at 11:23am
I am and since doing so I have seen alot more color to everything. Plus the growth that has happened is just suprised me. I really havnt taken it up as high as some people do Im keeping it at the 2000mg a day. I add 1 1000mg tab in the morning and one at night. I will keep on posting pictures of that or maybe I should start a new thread about it with the pictures in it.
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Posted By: Jake Pehrson
Date Posted: November 16 2008 at 6:26pm
I know I am late on this, but you may want to try a freshwater and/or iodine dip.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 16 2008 at 7:03pm
I was thinking about doing that after I had already fragged it. Oh well it was a great learning experance for me and I hope others learned from this thread as well.
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Posted By: Debbles
Date Posted: November 16 2008 at 9:20pm
That sucks that you had to cut so much off but at least you didn't lose it all. Thanks for keeping us posting. It is great to know and watch when people are doing something like this. I'm sure this post will be a great reference.
Deb
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Posted By: JWayment
Date Posted: November 17 2008 at 10:46am
What form of vitamin C are you using? I have read the thread on RC, and just can't decide if that pills will work or if I should buy ascorbic acid. Also if you are adding the pill form do you crush it up? or just add the pill and let it dissolve throughout the day?
Thanks, Josh
------------- Josh
120 gal reef
55 gal predator
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 17 2008 at 1:23pm
I place the pill in a high flow area in my sump.
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Posted By: dustponds10
Date Posted: November 19 2008 at 4:11pm
I got my Vit C from iherb.com or something like that. It needs to be buffered vit C. Why I am not sure but that is what they say to buy.
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ASM G-3
T-5 lighting
130 frag system
T-5 lighting
asm G-1x
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Posted By: Pufferpunk
Date Posted: March 01 2009 at 11:38pm
Dosing Vitamin C Chart
Here you go: Use this product: http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1&pid=-7152293197697039798 $5 0ff coupon code: LUL789 (good for first purchase).
To figure out how much to use, decide if you want to simply improve coral growth, spread, and color. If so, then you should dose around 5 ppm twice daily. If you are having problems with coral or fish health, dose up to around 30 ppm twice daily.
Calculate the total net number of gallons in your tank (minus rocks, sand, etc). Enter that number here ______.
You will now need to do a little math. The amounts below are for 100 gallons of water so if you have 50 net gallons, cut the amounts shown below in half etc.
Dosing amounts using Iherb product: 1/4 tsp=1112 mg.
For every 100 gallons:
5 ppm ----- 1892 mg VC 10 ppm ---- 3785 mg VC 15 ppm ---- 5677 mg VC 20 ppm ---- 7570 mg VC 25 ppm ---- 9462 mg VC 30 ppm ---- 11355 mg VC
After you have figured out how much you want to dose at each dosing, enter that number here _____. This is your dose to be used twice a day.
Notes: *Be sure your pH and alk are within normal reef limits before starting. Adjust if needed. Monitor weekly. *Shoot for a ppm of around 5 if only dosing for improved coral growth, coloration, and spread. Shoot for higher amounts up to 30 ppm if you are having melting zoas or closed zoas and look for the causes of your problems as you dose. Check for high nitrates, pests, zoa pox, predators, and unstable water conditions. *Dose low amounts and increase the amount slowly over the course of a few days to a couple weeks. * If you notice an algae bloom or increased skim on your glass then cut back by half until it disappears. * Watch your skimmer, it will start to skim more. * Dose the amount twice a day in a fast moving area of your sump or overflow. You may dilute the vitamin c in ro/di water for a minute then pour into my overflow. If adding to sump, try and add the vitamin c after filtration such as skimmers and reactors. * If you have a question, ask at the RC forum. I check the VC thread daily. * The instructions in this guide and throughout this thread are based on using pure Sodium Ascorbate, not vitamin c pills and other non-buffered forms of vitamin c.
Be sure to take some "before" pics!
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Posted By: Mike Savage
Date Posted: March 02 2009 at 7:53am
Welcome Pufferpunk!
Mike
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Posted By: Pufferpunk
Date Posted: March 02 2009 at 10:09am
Thanks, just trying to help out. Did a search for different forums that have Qs on VC & found you guys.
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Posted By: Brandon
Date Posted: March 02 2009 at 10:19am
Wow Pufferpunk,
Great to see you on this forum. She definitely knows what she is talking about. The Queen of Vitamin C!
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Posted By: Pufferpunk
Date Posted: March 02 2009 at 10:42am
Did a Yahoo search for threads on VC to see if I could help out. Glad I found you guys--let me know if you have more Qs about this. It has improved the overall health of every single coral & fish in my tank. I have cured HLLE in a purple tang & even zoapox, with VC. My LPS are fluffier, growing faster & more colorful than ever & my zoas aren't melting anymore!!! :D
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Posted By: JWayment
Date Posted: March 02 2009 at 10:52am
Thanks Pufferpunk for coming to our forum and helping.
Do you have any SPS in your tank? I have read the thread on RC and reef2reef, but everyone that doses VC tend to do so with LPS and zoa's so I was wondering what the effects on SPS would be.
Thanks
------------- Josh
120 gal reef
55 gal predator
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Posted By: Pufferpunk
Date Posted: March 02 2009 at 11:29am
Yes, I have many SPs in my tank, although that is not my main focus. Many that were not growing at all have much improved growth now.
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Posted By: JWayment
Date Posted: March 02 2009 at 12:16pm
Thanks, I just ordered the VC from iHerb, but I started on Sunday adding VC tablets. I will try and get some before pics of my Zoa colony that isn't looking so good and prompted the VC dosing.
------------- Josh
120 gal reef
55 gal predator
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Posted By: Brandon
Date Posted: March 02 2009 at 9:06pm
JWayment,
Keep us posted, and be sure to take some before and after pics.
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Posted By: Rioreefer
Date Posted: March 03 2009 at 2:35pm
Puffer what is your recomendation of doasage for a 90g with mod/heavy livestock?
Starting dose and final amount over X weeks
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Posted By: Pufferpunk
Date Posted: March 04 2009 at 1:51am
I posted a dosing chart 1 page back.
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Posted By: Rioreefer
Date Posted: March 04 2009 at 6:15pm
Man how did I miss that.
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