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Topic: Phytoplankton
Posted By: rfoote
Subject: Phytoplankton
Date Posted: March 04 2003 at 10:24pm
Where has everyone found the best price to buy phytoplankton locally?  Thanks!



Replies:
Posted By: Adam Blundell
Date Posted: March 05 2003 at 6:49am

Fish 4 U.  Don't know who else carries it, but it's a standard price.

Adam



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Posted By: peiji
Date Posted: March 05 2003 at 7:46am
I've been researching this a lot lately. Everyone has their opinions but I just bought DT at Aquatica in Orem for 12.99 for a 7 oz bottle. I think that was much cheaper than Fish 4 U ( I could be mistaken). Fish 4 U also said they didn't have it in stock at the time.


Posted By: rfoote
Date Posted: March 05 2003 at 8:38am
Anybody culture their own?  I am looking pretty seriously into it.  Check out this site http://www.sjwilson.net/reef">www.sjwilson.net/reef - she has pretty good steps to follow as well as some step by steps processes she e-mailed me.


Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: March 05 2003 at 4:33pm

It's not that hard to start a culture...the hard part is keeping it going uncontaminated and without crashing.

Did you know that our own local producer of phytoplankton and Rotifers, Mountain Corals, is owned and operated by a third generation of WMAS members? First it was started by a local biologist that identified and developed a unique bright green strain of single celled algae as a food source for coral and rotifers. The business was then purchased by Tim Weidauer, WMAS founder and president for three years. Current WMAS members and past president and librarian, Joe and Cindy Jones then purchased it from Tim and operated it for about three years. And recently another WMAS member, Don Ballash, purchased it and is supplying local and national accounts including The Living Planet.

Give your coral the food they deserve: Velvet Green and Rotifers; produced locally by Mountain Corals. You will immediately notice the difference in color between the deep green of Velvet Green vs. DT's yellow-green.

I'm not sure, but Joe and Cindy might be willing to explain the basics of culture maintenance for those that are ready to do the hard work! Personally, it would be great to hear of another club member raising Anemonefish using Velvet Green fed Rotifers.

Mark



Posted By: Flaz
Date Posted: March 06 2003 at 7:56am
I was able to raise one maroon clown after two attempts (Jeff Hite has it in one of his tanks).  I used Mountain Corals Velvet Green and Rotifers to start a culture but I never was able to get and keep it running correctly.  After the one clown grew large enough to eat baby brine shrimp I gave up on the culture.  Eventually I'd like to try it again since my clowns are still pumping out the eggs...


Posted By: Jeff Hite
Date Posted: March 06 2003 at 10:34pm
Yeah Flaz, you should see that guy now, he is huge.  Come on over and grab some of these SPS's since you tank crashed, I will be glad to donate to the "help Flaz rebuild fund" haha.  They will grow 10 times faster anyway in your tank with that awesome calcium reactor you built.  Too bad you could not have made it to the meeting, my first time back in a while.  Awesome frags for $5. 


Posted By: kingsspot1
Date Posted: March 07 2003 at 2:05pm

I got mine from The Pet Factory!!!

Next to Pier One Imports on State St at about 6200 So.



Posted By: Flaz
Date Posted: March 07 2003 at 2:07pm

Yeah, I'm kicking myself for not making it to the meeting but I had a previous plans...  Anyway, my tank is back on track and ready for some new frags so I'll be stopping by soon (I'll message you).



Posted By: rstruhs
Date Posted: August 08 2004 at 2:03pm

I won two bags of the "red" phytoplankton that was raffled off at the last meeting!  I went home and put one in a bottle and am going to try to grow it.  It looks a lot more yellow than red though!  I will try to keep everyone posted of any progress.  It was supposed to have zooanthellaes in it.  Will they grow or die?  How would I know if they lived?



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Rodney, Sandra, Jeffery, and Laura Struhs
South Jordan, Utah 98th South & 40th West.
(801) 282-2744

75 gallon reef
55 gallon reef
55 gallon FOWLR
20 gallon FOWLR


Posted By: Adam Haycock
Date Posted: August 08 2004 at 2:41pm

I have always used the microalgae inoculants from Florida Aqua Farms Inc.

http://www.florida-aqua-farms.com - www.florida-aqua-farms.com

You can make hundreds of gallons of dense cultures with a single inoculant, or simply make a couple gallons when you need it.

As explained on their website.... 

"Want a guaranteed live alternative for not so live hobby liquid algae cultures? Then our "Micro Algae Disks" are the answer. Convenient live inoculants of microalgae ready to use when you need them. Unialgal, petri-dish cultures of microalgae specially sealed for extended shelf life. Simply store at normal cool room temperature in a dark area, "Micro Algae Disk�" cultures can survive for 6+ months. No liquids involved, small, compact, lightweight, easy and less costly to transport. Disks eliminate the need to maintain liquid sub-starter cultures in the lab. Cost of one disk is cheaper than hobby liquid culture. Place sterile culture water on disk, cover, provide moderate light, for 12 to 24 hours then rub off cells with a sterile cotton Q-tip, add to 250 - 500 ml culture water, fertilize (see our Micro Algae Grow), aerate and incubate in 16-24 light for 7-10 days then use as an inoculant for larger cultures. Five popular saltwater species available. Nanochloropsus (Japanese Chlorella) and Nannochloris can be grown in either saltwater or freshwater. Others tolerate low salinities but best growth normally obtained in 15 to 25 ppt. Sizes shown are maximum. Nanochloropsus, Tetraselmis and Isocrysis are considered the most important alga in culturing zooplankton such as rotifers and ciliates. Chaetoceros, a diatom is normally used in clam and shrimp culture. Tetraselmis, and Isocrysis are motile alga, normally used to culture zooplankton like rotifers and Artemia."



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Posted By: Suzy
Date Posted: August 08 2004 at 3:41pm

Rodney, I got it cooking! it's exploding! And, my babies seem to be growing a lot bigger with it!

  Nobody even mentioned my stinkin' thread! See if I take a stinkin' hour with our crappy dialup service to load pics for you guys!

 I've grown phyto for a few years and haven't experienced a "crash" for ages and I just found a really cool way to start stuff when the stuff turns yellow....



Posted By: Adam Haycock
Date Posted: August 08 2004 at 3:51pm

You mean this thread Suzy?

http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1825&KW=phytoplankton+density&PN=0&TPN=1 - http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1825& KW=phytoplankton+density&PN=0&TPN=1



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Posted By: Suzy
Date Posted: August 08 2004 at 5:11pm

You remembered! I knew I liked you!



Posted By: smatney
Date Posted: August 08 2004 at 9:03pm

I'm not an expert so your opinion is appreciated.  I found 12 bottles on ebay for $50. 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20759&item=4317770343&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2 0759&item=4317770343&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

If you think it's worth a try, pm me and I'll order them and we can split up the order.   Susan

 



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Susan Matney
Farmington, UT


Posted By: Suzy
Date Posted: August 09 2004 at 7:35am
Susan, I think our last speaker said that the nanno strain of algae was the
least nutritious, which is what this is. They say on their site that they've
added others, but the nanno is strongest, so to takes over the culture
quickly...

What about the algae pastes? They sit in your freezer, you add them so a
little cup o' water, swirl and feed. I think they are very convenient to feed
the reef.

Ryan, are you just wanting to feed your corals? Brine Shrimp Direct has a
couple of different strains of microalgae paste... (Except the one I want,
Isochrysis....Their supplier is out!). I think live food is best, but I'm not
sure how long the live bottles are actually alive! When the cells die, they
sink to the bottom. When I need some live stuff, I check out the bottle
before I buy it, and most of the time, the cells look dead. If you can get it
close to it's delivery date, Mountain Corals Velvet green is good, and I
love Big Joes, but both are high in nanno....

But, if you're going to buy dead cells, you might as well get the freshest!
Wouldn't that be a frozen paste?


Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: August 09 2004 at 8:06am
Originally posted by Suzy Suzy wrote:

When the cells die, they sink to the bottom.


Actually, all the cells sink. The bottle must be shook up periodically just to keep them in suspension.

SMatney, I would not buy that phyto. We have no guarantee how dense the culture is. Another waste of $ IMO.

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Posted By: Suzy
Date Posted: August 09 2004 at 8:56am
Mine don't sink.....at least, until they start to die....

I've forgotten to put the bubbler back in after I feed my fry a few times.
When I come back hours later, the water is still green........or yellow.....or
brown, now!!!!


Posted By: Adam Haycock
Date Posted: August 09 2004 at 9:54am

The club may want to add Plankton Culture Manual to its library. Topics discussed include...

Aquatic food webs

Utilization of plankton

Microalgae identification

Microalgae culture (not what kind of music they listen to BTW)

Rotifer culture

Ciliate culture

Artemia culture

Copepod culture

Daphnia culture

Clam and oyster veligers

Amphipod culture

Mysis culture

Micro worm culture

 

 

 



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Posted By: rstruhs
Date Posted: August 09 2004 at 4:32pm
Yeah let's get that book so I can borrow it!

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Rodney, Sandra, Jeffery, and Laura Struhs
South Jordan, Utah 98th South & 40th West.
(801) 282-2744

75 gallon reef
55 gallon reef
55 gallon FOWLR
20 gallon FOWLR


Posted By: Suzy
Date Posted: August 09 2004 at 5:11pm
First dibs! Do you have it, Adam? Can I borrow it if i leave a $20 deposit?


Posted By: Adam Haycock
Date Posted: August 10 2004 at 12:19pm
Suzy, I think you need to empty your PM box. I don't think my PMs are getting through.

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Posted By: Suzy
Date Posted: August 10 2004 at 12:23pm
OOPS!


Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: August 11 2004 at 10:57pm
Regarding RStruhs attempt to culture the Phycopure. Those bags have about five kinds of unicellular algae. One of them, Nanochloropsis, grows much easier than the others, the red and brown types. Andy commented to me that trying to culture that bag will end up as all Nano because it will out-compete the others. In addition to buying PhycoPure, we can buy the other types in the pure form from the same company, http://www.algagen.com - Algagen LLC that kindly donated those bags. I'd be happy to go in on the purchase of a pure culture of a red or brown phyto.

BTW those bags should be stored in the fridge and used within one month before the culture dies and goes rotten!

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Posted By: rstruhs
Date Posted: August 12 2004 at 6:16am
Thanks Mark!  I will check the company and get back with you.  I would like to try the red algae.  Right now I gotta go to work.

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Rodney, Sandra, Jeffery, and Laura Struhs
South Jordan, Utah 98th South & 40th West.
(801) 282-2744

75 gallon reef
55 gallon reef
55 gallon FOWLR
20 gallon FOWLR


Posted By: Suzy
Date Posted: August 12 2004 at 7:08am
Count me in! Do you think they will sell us just red?


Posted By: smatney
Date Posted: August 12 2004 at 7:10am
I'd like to try some also.   Susan

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Susan Matney
Farmington, UT


Posted By: Shane H
Date Posted: August 12 2004 at 9:05am
Mark,

Pls include me on a purchase of red phyto. It sounded to me that Andy felt the Nano was the least nutritious. I would love to have a culture of each.

Thanks,
Shane H


Posted By: Suzy
Date Posted: August 12 2004 at 2:18pm
Guys, i've been growing the Pure stuff! It grows like crazy! i know the
green will take over, but if i can stall it for a while, then maybe we'll be
able to purchase it and get it for a few more months. I've been getting a
DP bottle a day from my start. And, it still looks very red-orange...


Posted By: improdigal
Date Posted: August 12 2004 at 3:11pm

Ditto, I'll join in on an order of the red. My Fish love it, for the 2 seconds it last before they eat it all. :-)

I bought some beautiful Snails from Eric that were covered in red algae......for about 30 seconds.



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Patrick


Posted By: Carl
Date Posted: August 13 2004 at 7:29am
Originally posted by Suzy Suzy wrote:

Mine don't sink.....at least, until they start to die.... 
I fully agree with Suzy on this one. The live strain will remain in suspension, the dead cells will sink. That's why you have to shake DT's or Marine Snow or most of those dead cell foods.

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Posted By: Suzy
Date Posted: August 13 2004 at 8:44am
Anybody want a start of the "red" mix stuff?

If we can get an order, through...I mean, if we knew somebody (Adam)
who knew somebody (Andy) who could get us a start of red, maybe we
could get a start of the zooanthelia stuff....

That would be a really cool bonus of being in this cool club! Stuff regular
can't even get!!!!


Posted By: rfoote
Date Posted: August 13 2004 at 8:49am
I have close to a gallon of fertilizer left and probably won't be doing any cultures in quite awhile.  In that case I also have quite a few odds and ends if anybody wants it - First come first serve.  I figure by the time I get going again it will be obselete or bad.  I have food, B-Ionic 2 part calcium/alkalinity(close to a gallon I think?) and so on. 


Posted By: smatney
Date Posted: August 13 2004 at 11:07am
I'd like to try a start of the red Suzy.  

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Susan Matney
Farmington, UT


Posted By: rstruhs
Date Posted: August 13 2004 at 3:31pm
Naturally I too would like to try the red and possibly some brown.  Suzy are you going to spearhead this effort?  I hope so, you do so well at those things!

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Rodney, Sandra, Jeffery, and Laura Struhs
South Jordan, Utah 98th South & 40th West.
(801) 282-2744

75 gallon reef
55 gallon reef
55 gallon FOWLR
20 gallon FOWLR


Posted By: Adam Blundell
Date Posted: August 13 2004 at 3:44pm

I have absolutely no interest at all about culturing any of this. 

So whoever does culture it, I'd like to get some from you.

Adam
(and yes, I can have Andy send us some of whatever you all want)

 



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Posted By: improdigal
Date Posted: August 13 2004 at 3:45pm
I didn't want to culture it either. I just want to buy a bunch of it and dump it in my tank, feed it and hope it grows faster than it's eaten.

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Patrick


Posted By: Suzy
Date Posted: August 13 2004 at 7:04pm
Originally posted by Adam Blundell Adam Blundell wrote:


(and yes, I can have Andy send us some of whatever you all
want)




Yahoo! i was hoping you'd say that!!! I have bottles of the mix stuff, but
like Andy said the nanno will take over eventually. So, can you get me
some red? And, some zooanthelia? I'll grow it and pass it out to
everybody who wants some! I'll make door prizes of it! Wrap it with bows
on!!!

And, i don't think I've told you lately how cute I think you are! You are
just gorgeous! And, soooo smart! You're the best!


Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: August 13 2004 at 9:04pm
Could we get enough to split between all the growers? I personally would like a direct culture of a red unicellular algae.

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Posted By: rstruhs
Date Posted: August 14 2004 at 9:12am

Originally posted by Mark Peterson Mark Peterson wrote:

Could we get enough to split between all the growers? I personally would like a direct culture of a red unicellular algae.

I think this is the best way, that way we can minimize our losses, if any.  I was unable to find out anything about PhycoPure from their website, or any other.  One site (WetWebMedia.com) mentioned it briefly.

 



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Rodney, Sandra, Jeffery, and Laura Struhs
South Jordan, Utah 98th South & 40th West.
(801) 282-2744

75 gallon reef
55 gallon reef
55 gallon FOWLR
20 gallon FOWLR


Posted By: Adam Haycock
Date Posted: August 15 2004 at 1:07pm
What is the genus and species of the red phyto?

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Posted By: Weimers
Date Posted: August 15 2004 at 2:57pm
I'd be interested in buying some red phyto, as well.  Do we need someone to put this order togeter? 

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Renee and Damon Weimer
Tankless in Hawaii


Posted By: Adam Haycock
Date Posted: August 15 2004 at 4:20pm

Originally posted by Suzy Suzy wrote:

I think our last speaker said that the nanno strain of algae was the
least nutritious, which is what this is.

I did not go to that meeting, but I believe the nutritive value the speaker was talking about is lipid content. In microalgae strains, the two most notable lipids are EPAs and DHAs. These fatty-acid chains are important in the normal development of fish and shrimp larva. In fish, EPAs are not easily converted to DHAs, so it is important the fish recieve DHAs in their diets. Nannochloropsis is very high in EPAs, but does not have any DHAs. Other species of microalgae contain both EPAs and DHAs (notably Pavlova and Isochrysis). Pavlova is very difficult to culture, so Isochrysis is a good choice for culture when DHAs are important. This is a motile golden-brown algae which is a good food source for some soft corals, shellfish, and shrimp. If you wish to grow food for hard corals, rotifers would be a better choice. Rotifers will eat phytoplankton of 1-10 microns in diameter (ie. nannochloropsis). In my opinion, nannochloropsis is fine in most cases unless you are producing rotifers for larval fish or shrimp. I do not know which species the "red phyto" is, but would assume it is also high in DHAs and is therefore more "nutritious".

 



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Posted By: Weimers
Date Posted: August 15 2004 at 5:14pm
Adam, how do you know this stuff?  I'm amazed.  You and Jon Finch should get together.  Seriously, though - you didn't have to paraphrase that from a book or anything?  Wow.  Are HUFAs important, too?

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Renee and Damon Weimer
Tankless in Hawaii


Posted By: Adam Haycock
Date Posted: August 15 2004 at 5:50pm

DHA and EPA are two types of HUFAs (Highly Unsaturated Fatty Acids).

I have my degree in biology, but I used this website as well...

http://www.microalgae.com/proximate.asp - http://www.microalgae.com/proximate.asp



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Posted By: Suzy
Date Posted: August 15 2004 at 7:57pm
Adam, i love your book! Thanks, again!


Posted By: Weimers
Date Posted: August 15 2004 at 8:09pm

Ahzo!  I see the picture now.  Also, this is just a misc. random thought... but when my mom was visiting here, she has to have a thing called a TPN line to give her nutrition.  Anyway, a lot of the things we give fish are the things that her TPN provides.  She was amazed that we add things like magnesium & strontium and look for food with HUFAs, etc.

 



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Renee and Damon Weimer
Tankless in Hawaii


Posted By: Suzy
Date Posted: August 16 2004 at 6:32am
Her TPN (totoal parental nutrition) has "lipids" which we calll HUFAS!!!
And Mg+ and Ca+!!!!

Too bad we can't get a mix like TPN! But, that stuff costs $400
bucks a bag!!! Guess my fish don't really need that...


But, nothings too good for the fry! Maybe I'll sneak some home.....


But, starting the IV might be tricky...Have to stick it in it's head?


Posted By: jglover
Date Posted: August 16 2004 at 8:05am
Hey suzy what do you use for fertilizer?


Posted By: Suzy
Date Posted: August 16 2004 at 8:12am
I've got a jug of Florida Aqua Farms fertilizer. You can have some if
you need some, or if you want to order some, let me know, 'cause
I've got a few wants from there. Not enough to actually order by
myself, but!

Check the beginning of this thread, too, 'cause I think Ryan has a
spare jug o' fertilizer.....


Posted By: Weimers
Date Posted: August 16 2004 at 5:27pm

Yes, he does.  He lives in Syracuse.  I asked him about it, thinking I could probably use it.  If jglover wants it, that's cool.  Or I could share it.  Whatever works.

Renee



Posted By: rfoote
Date Posted: August 16 2004 at 6:17pm
There is plenty to go around - a gallon will last for ages!


Posted By: Jake Pehrson
Date Posted: August 17 2004 at 8:23am

Suzy,

AWP on a TPN is about $90.00-$120.00  Still pretty expensive to be feeding to your fry.



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Posted By: Suzy
Date Posted: August 17 2004 at 8:26am
Geez! I'll bet the boss just told me that we won't get mad when we get our
piddly 3% raises!

Is that the 3 in 1, or the custom mix?


Posted By: jglover
Date Posted: August 17 2004 at 1:03pm
I would like a capful to expirament with I did notice a good change in growth with phyto so I'd like to grow my own.  and I'm and addict to DIY.  I just installed some more fans in my DIY canopy from DI parts cost 6$ for 3 computer fans SCORE!  Renee I would love to share, but I'd like a reason to see your tank more.  I'll try and PM ryan.  Thanks



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