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Topic: Nephthea Information
Posted By: Weimers
Subject: Nephthea Information
Date Posted: April 10 2004 at 6:13pm

Carl suggested that we start doing a Coral of the Week, with information to help us out.  The following information should be helpful to anyone with Nephthea, and I hope it will encourage discussion.  I found the following information on GENUS Nephthea in Eric Bourneman's Aquarium Corals, Selection, Husbandry, and Natural History written 2001 pp. 142-3.

Common species: N. brasilica, N. chabrolli, N. cornuta, and others.

Common names: tree coral, cauliflower soft coral.

Identification: Nephthia form upright bushy and treelike formations that are generally more squat than Litophyton.  They are monomorphic, with only nonretractile autozooid polyps. Robust sclerites are mainly present in the polyps, not in the main stalks. The few sclerites in the stalk are very near the surface. When contracted, the corals adopt a cauliflower-like appearance. 

Natural Location: Commonly found in reef zones that receive surge, back-reef slopes, and occasionally reef crests. Stronger flow conditions and exposure to deeper clear oceanic water are preferred. They are found in the largest sizes and greatest abundance on steep slopes at mid depths.

Colors: Usually dull cream to brown-colored, although there are occasionally brighter-colored specimens available.  One of the most common Nepthea in the trade is called the "neon green tree" coral (species unknown). It normally turns brown under intense lighting, indicating the presence of zooxanthellae.

Captive CareNephthea are notoriously delicate to ship and have a fairly poor record of survival in the aquarium. Feeding is reported to be imperative in these corals: small particulate foods should be regularly blown across their extended polyps.

Current flow: Moderate to strong, though not so strong as to displace the unsupportive stalk. 

Special info: Nephthea are one of the more toxic genera of soft corals in terms of their chemical defenses, producing some of the most diverse and unusual compounds of all soft corals.  Some, such as N. brasilica are able to move their colonies in the same way as Xenia in order to colonize new areas. 

Collection Impact: Widespread, common, and abundant in nature, natural populations are not likely to be diminished by collection for the aquarium trade.



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Posted By: Meeshi_ma
Date Posted: April 10 2004 at 6:16pm

well, I guess its not extinct then.

 



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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: April 10 2004 at 9:19pm
Quote The few sclerites in the stalk are very near the surface.�When contracted, the corals adopt a cauliflower-like appearance.�
Not our Green Nepthea
Quote � One of the most common Nepthea in the trade is called the "neon green tree" coral (species unknown). It normally turns brown under intense lighting, indicating the presence of zooxanthellae.
Not our GN. It keeps and even sometimes enhances its green zooxanthellae.
Quote notoriously delicate to ship and have a fairly poor record of survival in the aquarium.
Not our GN
Quote �Feeding is reported to be imperative in these corals: small particulate foods should be regularly blown across their extended polyps.
Not our GN
Quote Moderate to strong current flow, though not so strong as to displace the unsupportive stalk.�
Our GN likes low to moderate flow
Quote one of the more toxic
Not our Green Nepthia
Quote natural populations are not likely to be diminished by collection for the aquarium trade.
But we haven't seen this one brought in by the trade since the first one hit our tanks back in 1996.

What this says to me is that ours isn't your typical Nepthea.

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Posted By: ssilcox
Date Posted: April 10 2004 at 9:20pm
Originally posted by Weimers Weimers wrote:

It normally turns brown under intense lighting, indicating the presence of zooxanthellae.

So this brings up a question that I have thought about - does intense lighting bring out the color in coral that host zooxanthellae or does it turn them brown? I have read that the more light the zooxanthellae have the more they fluoresce, hence brighter color from more intense light.



Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: April 10 2004 at 10:15pm
My first thought on that question is that it depends on the type/color of zooxanthellae and the color of the intense light.

VHO lighting is much superior for overall color enhancement of a wider range of coral than any other lighting system yet devised.

And sometimes conditions are not conducive to a particular zooxanthellae algae and the coral replaces it with another! For example: Red Mushrooms are notorious for "bullying" other mushrooms until everyone in the tank is red!
I've also seen it go the other more desirable way where a nice color like the green zooxanthellae of our GN gets partially infused into neighboring coral!

My 2 cents

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Posted By: Adam Blundell
Date Posted: April 11 2004 at 9:15am

Originally posted by Mark Peterson Mark Peterson wrote:

My first thought on that question is that it depends on the type/color of zooxanthellae and the color of the intense light.

I agree

Originally posted by Mark Peterson Mark Peterson wrote:



VHO lighting is much superior for overall color enhancement of a wider range of coral than any other lighting system yet devised.

I disagree.  I'm not that impressed with VHO light.

Originally posted by Mark Peterson Mark Peterson wrote:



And sometimes conditions are not conducive to a particular zooxanthellae algae and the coral replaces it with another!

Definately.

Originally posted by Mark Peterson Mark Peterson wrote:

For example: Red Mushrooms are notorious for "bullying" other mushrooms until everyone in the tank is red!
I don't think they bully anything, the other mushrooms selectively collect the zooxanthellae the will best benefit them.

Originally posted by Mark Peterson Mark Peterson wrote:


I've also seen it go the other more desirable way where a nice color like the green zooxanthellae of our GN gets partially infused into neighboring coral!

My 2 cents

Once again, the other coral choses to have that zooxanthellae.  Maybe because it is more beneficial, or maybe because it is more abundant, but it captures it either way.

Adam



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Posted By: ssilcox
Date Posted: April 11 2004 at 9:16am
Cool - thanks for the info Mark!


Posted By: Jake Pehrson
Date Posted: April 12 2004 at 8:51am

Originally posted by Mark Peterson Mark Peterson wrote:

Quote The few sclerites in the stalk are very near the surface. When contracted, the corals adopt a cauliflower-like appearance. 
Not our Green Nepthea .....
What this says to me is that ours isn't your typical Nepthea.

What this tells me is that this is not Nephthea.  Probably Sinularia.

Originally posted by Adam Blundell Adam Blundell wrote:

Originally posted by Mark Peterson Mark Peterson wrote:

My first thought on that question is that it depends on the type/color of zooxanthellae and the color of the intense light.

I agree

I think most experts now agree that zooxanthellae is brown.  The colors (other then brown) that we see are skin pigments (although I'm not sure I am convinced of this).



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Posted By: sjlopez39
Date Posted: April 12 2004 at 9:00am
Will the "real" Green Nepthia please stand up?

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Posted By: Weimers
Date Posted: April 12 2004 at 4:48pm
Okay, I spent a bunch of time typing this out very carefully so that I was quoting Eric Borneman properly.  So how do we figure out if what we call green nepthia belongs to this genus?  Do I re-post it to Reef Central and hope that Mr. Borneman will review it in his official capacity?

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Posted By: Jake Pehrson
Date Posted: April 12 2004 at 6:15pm

Just an observation.

How fast we mutate from the Nephthea to Nepthea to Nepthia.

Also the "Green Tree Nephthea" that we pass around does turn more brown the brighter the lights are (at least in my observation).  The lower lighted tanks seem to produce brighter greens.



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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: April 12 2004 at 10:44pm
Originally posted by Jake Pehrson Jake Pehrson wrote:

The lower lighted tanks seem to produce brighter greens.
I'm not sure about that. The pic you took a couple years ago of GN/Sinularia/or whatever it is, from the Bangerter tank is the greenest ever. Compare that to the faded green of the same coral in Oboy's NO lighted tank and Seti007's MH lighted tank.

VHO:

MH: NO:

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Posted By: Adam Blundell
Date Posted: April 13 2004 at 8:08am

Mark,

Read Jake's quote again.  I think you said you disagree with him, but then you agreed with your pics.  The Bangerter tank has the greenest coral (what you said) yet it does have LOWER lighting than Asad's MH. 

This, along with some other junk, has always made me wonder why people want there corals to be nice and bright with lots of color.... maybe that isn't natural.  Another one of those "Adam Cringe" subjects so I'll go back to being quiet on this topic. 

Adam



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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: April 13 2004 at 8:19am
What I was thinking was that the pics showed that the lowest light didn't seem to bring out the brightest green but perhaps, rather it is the type of light.

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Posted By: jfinch
Date Posted: April 13 2004 at 8:27am
The intensity of the green color has more to do with actinics then anything else, imo.  Without a lot of actinic light it's a bit on the drab side.  With lots of actinic it's like a neon sign.

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Posted By: Weimers
Date Posted: April 13 2004 at 10:05am

I got my GN from OBoy about 3 weeks ago.  It was a uniform light green color at the time.  Since then, it seems to have more brown in the tips.  We've got aquaspace lights approx. 30" from the top of the GN frag.  We run the actinics approx 9 hrs a day.  It definitely glows when we have just the actinics lit.  I'm glad that we're discussing this - I was afraid I typed for an hour & a half for nothing.

Renee



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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: April 13 2004 at 11:53am
All that writing to get our degrees must have been good for something, even if it's just More of the Same BS

For what it's worth, I never was certain that the fluorescent green came from algae. Seems that there is some info somewhere on fluorescence in coral and what causes it, something about the absorption of light energy and re-emitting it at a slightly different wave length. Actually sounds fascinating for a like me.

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Posted By: Weimers
Date Posted: April 13 2004 at 5:32pm
Did you get an M.S. in B.S. as well?  I thought it was a special program they built just for me!  Actually, now I wish I had a Masters in Biology or Marine Biology.  Instead of the M. of Human Relations.  I find that some people really freak me out - like my neighbor, whose dog just bit P.C. Pondbuilder's assistant.  And now the neighbors seem to think that I should pay the $270 for their dog being in quarantine.  So d'ya think I could pursue a PhD in Biology or Marine Biology?  Serious question.  But you can laugh if you'd like!!  Totally allowed. 

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Posted By: Adam Blundell
Date Posted: April 13 2004 at 5:50pm

Originally posted by Weimers Weimers wrote:

So d'ya think I could pursue a PhD in Biology or Marine Biology?  Serious question.  But you can laugh if you'd like!!  Totally allowed. 

I can safely say that you don't want to do that.  You could turn out like me, and you don't want that.

Adam



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Posted By: Weimers
Date Posted: April 13 2004 at 6:35pm
Actually, I wouldn't mind "turning out" like you.  I've been looking for a PhD in Adult Learning or something that does research in the multi-media (web-based, etc.) arena.  Can't find what I'm looking for in the education area, so maybe go back to an old dream of mine.  Did I tell you that I did want to be a Marine Biologist?  I ended up being a Marine.  "ooh - RAH!"  Well, it paid for college!!

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Posted By: Carl
Date Posted: April 13 2004 at 9:09pm
FWIW, my piece of Nephthea-Nepthea-Nepthia is bright green under XM 20K MH lights, no actinics so

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Posted By: jfinch
Date Posted: April 13 2004 at 9:18pm
who says your xm 20K's aren't producing in the 420 nm range?

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Posted By: DutchDude
Date Posted: April 14 2004 at 10:55am

I'll second Carl - my 20k XM's are showing a much brighter green then my 10k Ushio's with actinic VHO's did before... Actually, it is so bright green that I had to move the piece to the side because it was distracting me from the other corals.

If anybody wants to try a piece, PM me - I am always interested in a trade.

And, just because people have been asking - here is the color chart for those bulbs:

http://www.xmlighting.com/specifications.html - http://www.xmlighting.com/specifications.html

 



Posted By: Kahuna
Date Posted: April 17 2004 at 9:33pm

Do I need to worry about my nepthea being toxic to other corals? IE How close can I place it to some Acros?

 



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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: April 18 2004 at 9:14am
This GN is on the low side of toxicity. In my recollection, it has never bothered another coral though some others have bothered it. As Jake Perhson alluded, this may not be the coral described in Weimer's research.

Also, it is so hardy in our aquariums, we can't understand why it could be extinct or even threatened in the wild!

Perhaps it has morphed!

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Posted By: sjlopez39
Date Posted: April 18 2004 at 10:53pm
Mine is making contact with a frog spawn coral even as we speak. I see no harm being done to either critter.

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