Peppermint Shrimp/Scallop Symbiot?
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Topic: Peppermint Shrimp/Scallop Symbiot?
Posted By: jfinch
Subject: Peppermint Shrimp/Scallop Symbiot?
Date Posted: December 27 2003 at 10:41am
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Some of you might remember the picture I posted about a month ago of my coral banded shrimp eating one of my peppermint shrimp. Well the lone peppermint survivor has, it appears to me, set up some kind of relationship with my flame scallop. I noticed it from the start, but since the scallop was hidden under a ledge I just figured the peppermint liked the same hidding place. Now the scallop has moved more out into the open and the peppermint has followed it. The peppermint is always touching the scallop (except at night when he goes looking for food). Furthermore, I don't think the coral banded likes the scallop. I've seen him chase the peppermint (at night) back to the scallop but the cbs always stops short of the scallop by about 3 inches. The peppermint does appear to gain some sort of protection when near the scallop. Anyone else witness something like this? ------------- Jon https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6y_EzjI_ljbIwf2n5uNzTw" rel="nofollow - What I've been doing... |
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Posted By: Adam Blundell
Date Posted: December 27 2003 at 10:49am
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My peppermints will sit right on top of two of my anemones. They run there when something chases them, or when I put my arm in the tank and stuff like that. Sometimes they hang out right underneath the anemone so it hangs over them. Never seen it with a scallop, but I don't have scallops. Adam ------------- Come to a meeting, they�re fun! |
Posted By: Marcus
Date Posted: December 27 2003 at 12:30pm
| I wonder if the "hairs" that come out of the scallops have Nematocysts on them. |
Posted By: Adam Blundell
Date Posted: December 27 2003 at 1:54pm
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No they don't. But maybe the banded coral shrimp (yes Jon here is another debate banded coral shrimp not coral banded shrimp Adam ------------- Come to a meeting, they�re fun! |
Marcus wrote:Posted By: jfinch
Date Posted: December 27 2003 at 2:32pm
I just find it amazing that a stupid little shrimp could figure this all out . I feel pretty confident that if I were shrunk, given gills and placed in my aquarium, I'd be someone's lunch  . Can shrimp see color? Is it possible that the CBS sees the scallop as another CBS?------------- Jon https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6y_EzjI_ljbIwf2n5uNzTw" rel="nofollow - What I've been doing... |
Posted By: Adam Blundell
Date Posted: December 27 2003 at 2:41pm
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I don't know about BCS in particular but: can shrimp see color? Absolutely! In fact some shrimp have around 16 chromophores, where as humans have 3. Shrimp can not only see color but can also see uv, infra red, heat and all sorts of other cool stuff. Talk about amazing evolution for an animal that is stupid enough to get sucked in a powerhead or overflow. Is it confusing the peppermint for another BCS? Hmm, I doubt it but I'm going to be thinking about that for a while. Adam ------------- Come to a meeting, they�re fun! |
Posted By: jfinch
Date Posted: December 27 2003 at 2:51pm
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No I was wondering if the BCS (CBS) That's very cool about the eyesight! (I always wanted x-ray vision). ------------- Jon https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6y_EzjI_ljbIwf2n5uNzTw" rel="nofollow - What I've been doing... |
Posted By: Marcus
Date Posted: December 27 2003 at 3:12pm
| What do I have to do to get 16 chromophores? And what's a chromophore? |
Posted By: Adam Blundell
Date Posted: December 27 2003 at 3:18pm
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Sorry, it is the color (or any type of EM) wave receptor. It is an incredible sensory organelle. Basically it is the thing in your eye that sees color. Humans have green, red, blue, evolved in that order. But it is possible to have a chromophore that sees things like radio waves or heat waves and stuff like that, we just don't have them. Adam ------------- Come to a meeting, they�re fun! |
Posted By: Marcus
Date Posted: December 27 2003 at 4:14pm
How much longer until we evolve? Next year? 
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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: December 28 2003 at 3:12am
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Hmmm... I think I prefer the CBS over the BCS.
I thought that chromophores were for seeing chrome-afore you run into it! ------------- Reefkeeping Tips, & quick, easy setup tricks: www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244 Pay it forward - become a paid WMAS member 
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Posted By: tomason
Date Posted: January 02 2004 at 9:46am
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According to Marine Depot Live, the CBS and BCS are 2 different species:
http://www.marinedepotlive.com/inverts-shrimp.html - http://www.marinedepotlive.com/inverts-shrimp.html Interesting! 
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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: January 02 2004 at 10:21am
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Yes, very interesting, and why is there no pic of the BCS! ------------- Reefkeeping Tips, & quick, easy setup tricks: www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244 Pay it forward - become a paid WMAS member
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Posted By: Adam Blundell
Date Posted: January 02 2004 at 6:12pm
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Actually view that page again......... it has the "Gold" word there but it is on the second line so it is easy to miss. The term Coral Banded Shrimp is incorrect, despite what Jake Jon or Carl will tell you. The term is Banded Coral Shrimp, trust me. The BCS listed on that webpage is actually a Gold (Banded) Coral Shrimp. Thankfully the wonderful collector Diver Tom has it correct on his site http://members.aol.com/dropnet/Shrimp.html - http://members.aol.com/dropnet/Shrimp.html with pictures of the two shrimp. Adam
------------- Come to a meeting, they�re fun! |
Posted By: Diverdan
Date Posted: January 05 2004 at 2:33pm
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But can you trust a website that says that mantis shrimp are good for reef tanks? I guess it is good for a reef tank if there are no fish, snails, crabs or any other shrimp. And you keep your hands out so you don't lose a finger......
It should say good for species tank. Rich BTW I am on your side on the shrimp thing; there are many coral shrimp, bandedB golden etc. but there are not banded shrimp, just banded coral shrimp. ------------- 75 Gallon Reef 15 Gallon Reef |
Posted By: Carl
Date Posted: January 05 2004 at 2:41pm
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How did I get dragged into this? ------------- In Syracuse "I believe that forgiving them is God's function. Our job is simply to arrange the meeting." - Gen. H. Norman Schwarzkopf |
Posted By: Adam Blundell
Date Posted: January 05 2004 at 5:52pm
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Rich- thanks Carl- by just being you, that's how Adam ------------- Come to a meeting, they�re fun! |
Posted By: leviwin
Date Posted: January 05 2004 at 10:11pm
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I think all this discussion shows how important the scientific names are. |
Posted By: djangoboots
Date Posted: January 06 2004 at 8:50am
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I just thought i would mention... Last night while looking through
Invertebrate Zoology 6th ed. By Ruppert and Barnes there was the shrimp, Stenopus hispidus. Common name the: banded coral shrimp. Check it out, pg 695. For those who may not be famimiar with this book, it is pretty much the bible of invert. zoology. And anyone who has had the pleasure of taking the class is probably more familiar than one would like to be. ------------- 125g whannabe reef 30g FW w/puffers |
Posted By: Adam Blundell
Date Posted: January 06 2004 at 9:19am
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I have that book at my parents house. Crap, now I have to run over there to see it. That is great, if it does say what I said because I feel pretty good. Stenopus hispidus is called the banded coral shrimp, thanks djangoboots. Adam ------------- Come to a meeting, they�re fun! |
Posted By: Carl
Date Posted: January 06 2004 at 9:45am
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I think I will call the CBS/BCS a clownfish from now on.
------------- In Syracuse "I believe that forgiving them is God's function. Our job is simply to arrange the meeting." - Gen. H. Norman Schwarzkopf |
Posted By: Adam Blundell
Date Posted: January 06 2004 at 10:09am
I thought you already did. Oh no wait, I thought you called it a clownshrimp. Adam (hey Jon look it is another clownfish..... < ------------- Come to a meeting, they�re fun! |
Posted By: djangoboots
Date Posted: January 06 2004 at 10:09am
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you're an idiot, joking. why don't you call it a dolphin ------------- 125g whannabe reef 30g FW w/puffers |
Posted By: Adam Blundell
Date Posted: January 06 2004 at 10:11am
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It was preemptive but later proven deserved. Adam ------------- Come to a meeting, they�re fun! |
Posted By: Carl
Date Posted: January 06 2004 at 10:44am
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Adam, it's just started my friend. Did I call it a clownshrimp already? Wow, I am losing my mind. OK, clownshrimp it is.
Uummm.... OK.... Sure... ------------- In Syracuse "I believe that forgiving them is God's function. Our job is simply to arrange the meeting." - Gen. H. Norman Schwarzkopf |
Posted By: Travis
Date Posted: January 06 2004 at 10:55am
Man, it's getting pretty bad if we are down to debating CBS vs BCS...  
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Posted By: jfinch
Date Posted: January 06 2004 at 10:57am
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I thought the BCS was on ABC? ------------- Jon https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6y_EzjI_ljbIwf2n5uNzTw" rel="nofollow - What I've been doing... |
Posted By: djangoboots
Date Posted: January 06 2004 at 11:55am
OK so i am a bigger idiot, but at least i can tell the difference between a clownfish a dolphin and a clown shrimp he he he. ------------- 125g whannabe reef 30g FW w/puffers |
Posted By: Carl
Date Posted: January 06 2004 at 4:04pm
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------------- In Syracuse "I believe that forgiving them is God's function. Our job is simply to arrange the meeting." - Gen. H. Norman Schwarzkopf |
