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    Posted: December 23 2005 at 10:39am
What chemicals do all of you guys use? Which ones would you recommend getting to start? I'm going to start getting them since my work was generous and gave out christmas bonuses this year . Also post which brands you like. Thanks!
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kalkwasser (calcium hydroxide)
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I would recommend a 2-part calcium/alkalinity.  Other then that I would stay away from the "chemicals".
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I like that philosophy Jake, of staying away from chemicals. I guess I just want to know what I need in order to maintain a healthy environment for my tank.
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I agree with Jake also, but I believe the best thing you can do to your tank is frequent 10 to 15% waterchanges. I do ten gallons a week.
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I'd like to rant about the economics of chemicals versus water changes....

Fact 1:  Water changes (unless you get REALLY picky) fix ANY problem you have in your system as far as chemical levels

Fact 2:  Water changes cost approx. $10 to do a 50 gal water change.

Fact 3:  Water changes can mask underlying _ecosystem_ problems you have which are raising nitrates/phosphates/etc.

Most of the chemicals i've seen are ~$20 a bottle for potion X that will last you about a year if you do it at the recommended amount (for a 50 gal tank).

Say you have to use 3 of these to keep things within your desired parameters...  that is $60 a year.  For that same $60 a year you can do 50% water changes per month (way more than most people recommend typically).

While i have no substantiated data to back it up, i would argue that doing a 50% water change per month would lead to a FAR better situation than adding 3 addititives.

Exceptions to this rule would be:  calcium and alkalinity, where they are actively consumed in SIGNIFICANT amounts if you have a well stocked tank.

The problem with massive water changes is that you never see problems that are developing such as high nitrates from overfeeding, etc... but in general they are the best way to get your tank back to "ideal" parameters.

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Eventually you will need some way to maintain alkalinity and calcium.  As Jake mentions, B-ionic (or some other 2 part) is a fine way to do this.  Everything else is optional and likely does more harm then good (IMO).  And Brad's advice of regular frequent water changes is the best advice here.
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Ca/alkalinity is provided in my tank by Ca reactor.  I read somewhere that one advantage of Ca reactor is that when the aragonite is dissolved, trace minerals will be released as well eliminating the needs for supplementing these.

So, beside Ca/alkalinity provided by the Ca reactor, the only other additive that I use periodically is iodine.
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dkle, why do you add iodine?  do you have a iodine test that say you are low on it?  do you notice any difference in your corals if you don't add it or do a water change for a month?  i used to add iodine (at the rec of a LFS) and found out it wasn't doing JACK for my tank after not doing it for 2 months (same feeding schedule and water change) as when i was doing it.

i was displeased i spent $19.95 on it =/

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Originally posted by dnellans dnellans wrote:

dkle, why do you add iodine?  do you have a iodine test that say you are low on it?  do you notice any difference in your corals if you don't add it or do a water change for a month?  i used to add iodine (at the rec of a LFS) and found out it wasn't doing JACK for my tank after not doing it for 2 months (same feeding schedule and water change) as when i was doing it.

i was displeased i spent $19.95 on it =/

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Because I read that iodine is the only element that is not released by aragonite dissolution.  I don't really know what it does for the tank either; but figured why not since  it doesn't hurt and might help.  My iodine bottle cost way less than 10 bucks.
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I would recomend that you don't add any chemicals without the capability of testing those chemicals. Many people have mentioned that they add chemicals all the time and they do nothing for their tank. But were they really needed in the first place?

As for water changes versus chemical additives, Providing a 50% water change for my 150g +40g would be around $50 a month. There is no way that I am willing to spend $50 a month on water changes, not to mention the time and pain in the @$#, and the chemicals that I add are much cheaper then this. $16 for kalkwasser mix from the lfs for alk and Ca and it will last around 6 months (which is cheaper if you buy pickling lime), baking soda for ph, and activated carbon occasionally. If you go with a 2 part solution you can do it yourself for a lot cheaper then the lfs bought b-ionic. I do add iodine when needed and it isn't needed often (but I did notice a large growth spert from my softies after adding it). For $50 I bought enough iodine and a test to last many years. I agree that large water changes are very helpful in a time of crisis, but I don't believe that they are as economical as dnellans states. On a side note, there are many people in the club that rarely do water changes and their tanks look awesome (keodog is one that comes to mind).

dkle, too much iodine/iodide can be very bad for your tank. But by the looks of your pics, your tank is doing just fine.


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Iodine is used by your inverts (Shrimp, crabs, etc.) to aide in successful molting.  Without enough iodine, poor molts result, thus causing premature death.

Too much iodine can easily kill your inverts also!

It is rumored that iodine is good for mushrooms, xenia, and softies.  I cannot prove or disprove that rumor, however, my mushrooms, and xenia do a lot better with regular controlled dosing.

I agree the best method for maintaining "proper" levels is water changes.  However, with some "sea water" mixes, you need to monitor calcium and carbonates more than with other mixes.

All that said, find what works best for you and your tank, and stick with that method until you have to change it!

I use baking soda, washing soda, B-Ionic, Kents Turbo Calcium, and Kalkwasser.  A little of each every week!  I believe (I may be thinking incorrectly on this) that if you ever need to make corrections and large water changes will not fix the problem, that you can do more harm to your part of the ocean by introducing something (Any of the additives) that it is not used to already.  Hence the addition of each additive every week.

 

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