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    Posted: April 25 2008 at 11:34am
I think I've got a ribbon worm.
Should it come out?
 
Here's a photo:
 
I've had trouble lately keeping snails. I wonder if this is to blame.
Any opinions?
 
 
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That's a trail of cerith snail eggs :)
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I agree with Jonathan.
 
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Definitely Cerith eggs. As far as ribbon worms go they are not as tasty as bristleworms but not too bad I guess.
 
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At first, I thought you guys were joking! 2+ years in the hobby & I've never seen these before. We pulled them out. I guess now maybe I should put them back.  Embarrassed
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I always get them after a water change.
 
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Just curious, will the eggs hatch into little snails?
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Yes they will. Frequently there are things that will eat the eggs or tiny snails though such as shrimp, crabs, or some fish.
 
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About 10,000 eggs in a six inch ribbon. Shocked
I've seen many small Ceriths that I knew I never added to my tanks.Smile
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It's Mike Savage's fault.  You posted at 10:34 and he didn't answer your post until 12:14.  Mike ... you're slowing down on the job.  Is everything okay? 

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Yeah, it's just work getting in the way of life again.LOL
 
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Originally posted by PeggySue PeggySue wrote:

It's Mike Savage's fault.  You posted at 10:34 and he didn't answer your post until 12:14.  Mike ... you're slowing down on the job.  Is everything okay? 

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Priorities (food)!
 
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Well, I got another one of my "tape worms" on the glass this morning. I took a photo of it through a jeweler's loop. The picture's not great (I don't have one of the cool cameras) but here is what I found:


So, eggs it is!  Thank you all for your help  Big%20smile

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Great picture John! I learn new things every day.
 
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Originally posted by Deep Pitt Deep Pitt wrote:

I've had trouble lately keeping snails.
 
Let's look at helping you with your problem. Can you tell us more?
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Hi Mark! It's nice to hear from you.
 
The tank s going through a weird phase. I've had a foxface rabbit fish  which I originally got to control hair algae.  The tank had been fine for more than 18 months. Then, I started getting hair algae. The foxface got thinner and showed no interest.  Eventually,  hair algae was all over the place and the foxface died.
 
Meanwhile, I used to see snails & hermits crawling over everything. I also had a few emerald crabs.  About the time of the hair algae outbreak, I stopped seeing see any of them. No mexican turbos, no emeralds, hermits, snails of any kind.   I bought a bunch more and they promptly vanished as well.
I haven't put any new corals nor rock in for a very long time, so  I can't see how I could have picked up a mantis or something.  I did put in a puffer fish and a fire shrimp. I've never seen them bother anything. In fact, I haven't seen the fire shrimp for some time now.
 
So now, the tank is getting more hairy, the SPS's have mostly all died. My beloved foxface is gone. There still is the occasional hermit and snail, but not many.
 
I used to have countless numbers of copepods. Now they are rare. I think that was due to an accident I had with my topoff which got stuck and dilluted the salinity. But eight months later, the population is not recovering.   I tested my water parameters (pH, ammonia, nitrate, nitrite, calcium, magnesium,  alkalinity, phosphate, salinity) and everything looks ideal. Nothing there is sticking out.
 
I am continuing with a monthly water change (10%) and hoping that this will eventually settle down.  I don't know what else to mention.
 
Cheers!
 
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Hello
We can help with this.
I can see the hair algae in the pic above. Please post a pic of the full tank.
If you have a Refugium, post a pic of that as well.
 
By the way you described it, one would think that you see the hair algae as the reason for the loss of the snails and hermits. Is this how you see it?
 
How old are the Refugium lights?
 
Have you ever heard of a Puffer eating snails or hermits?
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Mark,
I will post the photos as soon as I get them.
 
I don't see the hair algae as the cause of the snail loss. I think that either the snail loss is the cause of the hair algae, or the two are symptoms of some other root cause.
 
I thought that I once saw something about puffers not getting along with reefs for some reason, but I've haven't been able to find it since and don't remember what it was.  I put the puffer in with caution and didn't see anything obviously happening.
 
The refugium lights are about a year old. The tank lights are about 2 years old ( 12000 K MH).
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Hi Mark,
Here are some photos.
Trying to capture the essence is difficult, but hopefully these will help.






And here are a couple of the sump:





If these don't show what you are looking for, please let me know how I can do better.
In fact, if these show you what you are looking for, please let me know how I can do better. Tongue

Thanks!

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