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   <title><![CDATA[Stocking Ideas for 34 Gal aquarium : LOL I wish I didn&amp;#039;t have...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5786">Kromlech</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 80483<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;15&nbsp;2016 at 1:44pm<br /><br />LOL I wish I didn't have to tear down the 90 but it is always an enjoyable experience setting up a new tank!!!]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Stocking Ideas for 34 Gal aquarium : It&amp;#039;s great fun setting up...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 80483<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;15&nbsp;2016 at 1:39pm<br /><br /><img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif" border="0" alt="Thumbs Up" title="Thumbs Up" />&nbsp;It's great fun setting up a new tank.<div><br></div><div>Enjoy&nbsp;<img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" alt="Big smile" title="Big smile" /></div>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Stocking Ideas for 34 Gal aquarium : Ill have to keep that in mind...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5786">Kromlech</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 80483<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;15&nbsp;2016 at 11:16am<br /><br />Ill have to keep that in mind Mark, you are helpful as always! Thanks for the advice!!!]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Stocking Ideas for 34 Gal aquarium : Yes, I recommend starting with...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 80483<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;15&nbsp;2016 at 10:54am<br /><br />Yes, I recommend starting with just a few Snails and adding more as needed. I agree with what has been said above and think that Trochus Snails look cool, but let me add that not using Astrea Snails because they "<span style="line-height: 16.8px; : rgb251, 251, 253;">get stuck on their back"</span>&nbsp;would be missing out on one of the best reef Snails there is.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>It's true that Astrea, when first received, have difficulty righting themselves. There is a very good reason for this. They are weak and almost starving to death after holding and transport from the waters south of Florida and the Caribbean. Starvation caused by Holding and transport are one of the major causes of all reef animal death. Yet, Astrea can live for many years eating great quantities nuisance algae and can become almost as large as a Pacific Turbo Snail.</div><div><br></div><div>Price-wise and benefit-wise I believe Astrea are the best reef snail overall. I try to use 50% Astrea, 25% Cerith and 25% Margarita Snails in my aquariums. Pacific Turbo Snails are used when the rock and coral are secure enough to handle their bulldozing or when the red cotton candy algae, Asperigopsis, is present.</div><div><br></div><div>This is how I help them adjust:</div><div>1. If purchased locally, I acclimate the quick way by exchanging water for 10 minutes, then hold them out of water for 10-15 seconds. Being out of water for this short period makes them happy to get back into the water despite any slight differences in parameters.</div><div>2. I place them in the tank, piling them together near glass or rock. Putting them in a pile allows them to grab hold of each other and crawl onto the glass, rock and sand where soft surface algae is growing for them to immediately start eating. (Remember they are starving&nbsp;<img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley6.gif" border="0" alt="Unhappy" title="Unhappy" />&nbsp;<span style="line-height: 16.8px;">so make sure there is algae.</span><span style="line-height: 1.4;">)</span></div><div>3. With a long stick I right any that have not grabbed hold or are upside down on the sand.&nbsp;</div><div>4. Within the first week or so, if any fall onto the sand, I use a stick to push them back over to the rock or glass so they can grab hold and crawl away.</div><div><br></div><div>In a week or two, they are strong enough to hold tightly to the surface, but if they do fall, they are usually strong enough to reach way out and grab hold of something to right themselves.</div><div><br></div><div>Hope this helps.</div><div><br></div><div>Aloha,</div><div>Mark &nbsp;<img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley31.gif" border="0" alt="Hug" title="Hug" /></div>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Stocking Ideas for 34 Gal aquarium : I have seeded rock and live sand...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5786">Kromlech</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 80483<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;14&nbsp;2016 at 3:52pm<br /><br />I have seeded rock and live sand from my old tank still running in one of my buddies system, as well as some cerith and nerite snails, 2 emerald crabs and 4/6 of the corals listed above. So it should adapt pretty quickly I am thinking. Ill give it 2 weeks to make sure.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Stocking Ideas for 34 Gal aquarium : I think your stock list looks...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3866">reefnfeef</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 80483<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;14&nbsp;2016 at 3:03pm<br /><br /><div>I think your stock list looks great. I used to have a 34gal RSM and it was stocked with essentially exactly what your proposed list is except I had a potters angel and a yellow assessor instead of a blenny. Tank ran well with minimal water changes for almost 3 years until I got a bigger tank.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I think it's always a good idea to start with less snails and add more if needed, so there isn't a snail die off adding excess nutrients to the system.</div><div><br></div><div>I would recommend seeding the tank with a probiotic or multiple probiotics. I used both Seachem's Stability and Aquavitro's Seed on my newest tank system when I set it up dry.&nbsp;</div>I have less than 10 in my 200 and barely have enough algae to feed the snails as is.&nbsp;I am a huge fan of probiotics for seeding a tank quickly and effectively. From the time the system was filled with water (beginning of May) to livestock was just over 2 days. There was a small algae bloom for about 3 days, chaeto quadrupled size and since then my chaeto has slowly been disappearing due to lack of nutrients despite how much I feed. I feed my tank, with the exception of the eel, at least 5 times a day with various flake, pellet, and LRS foods. Plus I clip about 2-3grams of nori at least once - sometimes twice - a day.&nbsp;<div><div><br></div><div>Livestock includes:<div><br><div>22" golden moray eel.&nbsp;</div><div>6-7" naso tang</div><div>6-7" mag fox face</div><div>5" purple tang</div><div>5" RS sail fin</div><div>4" emperor&nbsp;</div><div>mating saddleback clown pair</div><div>a few chromis</div><div>tailspot blenny</div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Stocking Ideas for 34 Gal aquarium :   Kromlech wrote:I think the...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=2738">arthuriv</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 80483<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;14&nbsp;2016 at 12:43pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Kromlech" alt="Originally posted by Kromlech" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Kromlech wrote:</strong><br /><br />I think the trocus is liked so much, because they can flip themselves over if they get stuck on their back. just makes for less of a hassle. haha. I have considered astreas, but most things ive read about them, people always seem to say how much trocus or turbos are better.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>I don't like turbos because of the bulldozers that they are. So I may have to try the Astrea's</div><div><br></div><div>now all of those are great questions, but I am using white dry rock, unfortunately so the greens and browns are really prevalent it seems for the first little bit. (or at least how it appears to me) and the coraline seems to take a while. any algae that ive ever seen on my rocks, was always eaten by the Emerald Crabs that I have. I figured 16 snails was a good starting point, as I don't want to over stock and have a die off with a huge addition of nutrients added back into the tank.</div><p></td></tr></table></p><p><br></p><p>I think 16-20 snails to start in a brand new tank probably isn't a bad idea and then add more it you notice their not able to keep up. Once more established you might need to have 30-40+ snails to keep algae under control but it all depends on many variables. Like Mark said there really isn't a magic number of snails you should put in your tank. They are more like guidelines. So&nbsp;I say if you want to start with 16 go for it and just add more if they can't keep up. &nbsp;Though if you find the Trochus snails you want you should probably buy as many as you like to have then because they aren't always available for purchase.&nbsp;</p>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Stocking Ideas for 34 Gal aquarium : I think the trocus is liked so...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5786">Kromlech</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 80483<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;14&nbsp;2016 at 11:00am<br /><br />I think the trocus is liked so much, because they can flip themselves over if they get stuck on their back. just makes for less of a hassle. haha. I have considered astreas, but most things ive read about them, people always seem to say how much trocus or turbos are better.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>I don't like turbos because of the bulldozers that they are. So I may have to try the Astrea's</div><div><br></div><div>now all of those are great questions, but I am using white dry rock, unfortunately so the greens and browns are really prevalent it seems for the first little bit. (or at least how it appears to me) and the coraline seems to take a while. any algae that ive ever seen on my rocks, was always eaten by the Emerald Crabs that I have. I figured 16 snails was a good starting point, as I don't want to over stock and have a die off with a huge addition of nutrients added back into the tank.</div>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Stocking Ideas for 34 Gal aquarium : That&amp;#039;s good.One thing I might...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 80483<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;14&nbsp;2016 at 10:35am<br /><br />That's good.<div><br></div><div>One thing I might say is that 16 snails may not be sufficient. I often talk about having one Snail/gal. and yet some mature tanks do well with 1/4 that number. It depends partly on the amount of mature LR and LS the tank is started with (influencing the size of the bug population and Stomatella Snail population), partly on how much Macroalgae is used for start-up(more macro means less available nutrients/pollution), partly on how rapidly the larger animals are introduced, and partly on the type, amount and intensity of light. May I suggest, rather than put a set number to the amount of Snails, think of snails from a different perspective:</div><div><br></div><div>Are there enough Snails for the time being?&nbsp;</div><div>How often do I have to scrape algae off the glass? (this question is not about clean glass <img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" />)</div><div>What is the general appearance of the LR?&nbsp;</div><div>Is it turning shades of brown in spots?&nbsp;</div><div>Is it turning green in spots?&nbsp;</div><div>Is Coralline Algae starting to spread?&nbsp;<span style="line-height: 16.8px;">(this question is about too many hungry Hermits)</span></div><div>Is nuisance algae starting to sprout anywhere on the LR?&nbsp;</div><div>What type and how extensive?&nbsp;</div><div>Am I seeing any areas of Cyano or diatom growth?&nbsp;</div><div>How large are those areas?</div><div><br></div><div>These are just some of the questions I ask myself as I watch a new tank grow. The answers tell me what the tank needs.</div><div><br></div><div>I really don't understand the hobbyist interest in Trochus Snails. They are no better at eating algae than the same size Astrea and yet they cost 4x more. Small Pacific Turbo Snails eat more than Trochus and cost half as much. Is there something I'm missing? Please enlighten me.</div><div><br></div><div>Aloha,</div><div>Mark &nbsp;<img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley31.gif" border="0" alt="Hug" title="Hug" /></div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Mark Peterson - July&nbsp;14&nbsp;2016 at 10:42am</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5786">Kromlech</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 80483<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;14&nbsp;2016 at 9:50am<br /><br />Hmm, While I have only had one SW tank, and 20+ different FW tanks, I would not call myself advanced by any means, theirs always more to learn it seems, and everyone does everything differently especially in the SW aquarium world. I think I'll stick with my plans for now and go with this below stock.<div><br></div><div><u>Fish</u>:</div><div>2 Clowns</div><div><span style="line-height: 16.8px;">1 Dwarf Angel</span></div><div><div style="line-height: 16.8px;"><strike>1 Bi-color Blenny</strike></div><div style="line-height: 16.8px;">1 Tiger Goby</div></div><div style="line-height: 16.8px;"><span style="line-height: 16.8px;"><strike>2 Bangaii Cardinals</strike></span></div><div style="line-height: 16.8px;"><span style="line-height: 16.8px;"><br></span></div><div style="line-height: 16.8px;"><span style="line-height: 16.8px;"><u>Inverts</u>:</span></div><div>1 BTA</div><div><div style="line-height: 16.8px;">1-2 Cleaner Shrimp</div><div style="line-height: 16.8px;"><strike>6 Cerith Snails</strike></div><div style="line-height: 16.8px;">6 Nerite Snails</div><div style="line-height: 16.8px;">4 Trocus Snails (when I can find them....)</div><div style="line-height: 16.8px;"><strike>2 Emerald Crabs</strike></div><div style="line-height: 16.8px;">4 blue leg Hermits</div></div><div style="line-height: 16.8px;"><br></div><div style="line-height: 16.8px;"><u>Corals</u>:</div><div><strike>3 zoa types</strike></div><div>1 Hammer/Frog Spawn</div><div><strike>1 Acan</strike></div><div>1 Duncan</div><div><br></div><div>seems like a really long list, but I think this should work. What do you all think?</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Kromlech - July&nbsp;22&nbsp;2016 at 8:13am</span>]]>
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