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   <title><![CDATA[Dumb fish? : Yes, the info above is commonly...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 80061<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;25&nbsp;2016 at 12:25pm<br /><br /><span style="line-height: 16.8px;">Yes, the info above is commonly accepted as fact, t</span>hough the writer of that article missed specifying a very significant avenue of Ich transmittal. In the short stage of its life where it lives off the fish it is living in/on rock and sand, including the base of coral. When these items are moved from one tank to another, the Ich Parasite hitchhikes to its new home.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Aloha,</div><div>Mark &nbsp;<img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley31.gif" border="0" alt="Hug" title="Hug" /></div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Mark Peterson - May&nbsp;25&nbsp;2016 at 12:28pm</span>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Dumb fish? :   Chevmaro wrote:Mark,Do fish...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5786">Kromlech</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 80061<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;25&nbsp;2016 at 9:25am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Chevmaro" alt="Originally posted by Chevmaro" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Chevmaro wrote:</strong><br /><br />Mark,<div><br></div><div>Do fish get Ich after being in the tank for a while? &nbsp;I thought it was only a concern when introducing new fish. &nbsp;</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div><span style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal;">Ich (or its marine counterpart) is in every major body of water. I have seen others talk about developing ich in an isolated tank, when no new fish are added, and the only things put into the tank are: a)food, and b)water durring water changes</span><span style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal;">. No plants/Corals added, as the you would think, nothing was added to the tank.</span><br style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal;"><br style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal;"><span style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal;">This leaves three possibilities:</span><br style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal;"><span style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal;"></span><span style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal;">First of all, it's possible that the ich continues in the tank. The Skeptical Aquarist says, "This cannot be! There is no dormant stage of the ich life cycle." The Skeptical Aquarist is right about the latter, but presuming that this precludes the idea that the ich has continued in the tank is a major mistake. Because of the method of reproduction, all it takes is one little parasite growing on a single fish (even in the gills) to keep the infestation going. In a h</span>ealthy fish<span style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal;">, one or two parasites aren't a problem. It's really only in stressed fish, or when the fish are completely overwhelmed, that the parasite can take over the tank.&nbsp;</span><br style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal;"><span style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal;">Second, it's possible that the parasite was added by the food. When we're talking about flake food or pellet food, however, that doesn't really work. We know that the cysts can't survive drying out.</span><br style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal;"><span style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal;">Third, the parasite was introduced to the tank via water changes. The cyst is relatively protected against a wide variety of chemicals. I wouldn't doubt that </span>chlorine / chloromines<span style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal;">&nbsp;was one. Those chemicals kill 99.9% of bacteria and viruses. All it takes is one cyst to let hundreds of individual parasites into the tank.</span><br style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal;"><br style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal;"><span style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal;">In either the first or the third case, it can be presumed that, while ich isn't necessarily present in every one of our tanks, we also can't presume that the lack of an overt infestation means the tank is entirely free of the pest.</span></div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Kromlech - May&nbsp;25&nbsp;2016 at 12:48pm</span>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Dumb fish? : Stress can occur anytime for various...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 80061<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;25&nbsp;2016 at 8:11am<br /><br />Stress can occur anytime for various reasons, even something as apparently simple as moving a few rocks. I guess even fish can get stressed when someone messes with their home.&nbsp;<img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" alt="C&#111;nfused" title="C&#111;nfused" /><div><br></div><div>This thread, also listed in the Reefkeeping Tips, pretty much gives all my recommendations and instructions for GO treatment:</div><div><div><a href="http://utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71349" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71349</a><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>Aloha,</div><div>Mark &nbsp;<img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley31.gif" border="0" alt="Hug" title="Hug" /></div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Mark Peterson - May&nbsp;25&nbsp;2016 at 8:14am</span>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Dumb fish? : Mark,Do you feed garlic on a regular...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=2427">Chevmaro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 80061<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;24&nbsp;2016 at 4:27pm<br /><br />Mark,<div><br></div><div>Do you feed garlic on a regular basis or only when you see signs of trouble? &nbsp;Do fish get Ich after being in the tank for a while? &nbsp;I thought it was only a concern when introducing new fish. &nbsp;</div>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Dumb fish? : Haha I get home this afternoon...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5786">Kromlech</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 80061<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;18&nbsp;2016 at 5:04pm<br /><br />Haha I get home this afternoon from work, and it's almost as if he's been in the tank for a minute. Heso free swimming now not so shy, tangs still try to push him around buy he just swims on by. He's looking good.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Dumb fish? : I&amp;#039;ve found the Solgar Garlic...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 80061<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;18&nbsp;2016 at 4:43pm<br /><br />I've found the Solgar Garlic to be so effective that I personally don't worry about UV or O3. We could get together, see my tanks (such as they are) and talk about how I maximize the health of my animals.<div><br></div><div>Aloha,</div><div>Mark &nbsp;<img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley31.gif" border="0" alt="Hug" title="Hug" /></div>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Dumb fish? : Ill have to hit you up! I wish...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5786">Kromlech</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 80061<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;18&nbsp;2016 at 1:22pm<br /><br />Ill have to hit you up! I wish I had space for a UV or O3, I'm going to have one hell of a time getting an apex on the system in the next few coming months.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Dumb fish? : The YT may have swam with Tomini...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 80061<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;18&nbsp;2016 at 11:14am<br /><br />The YT may have swam with Tomini or it's Bristletooth cousins in the wild, but may not have swam with Foxface or other types of Rabbitfish.<div><br></div><div><img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif" border="0" alt="Thumbs Up" title="Thumbs Up" />Yes, I feed all over the tank to keep old fish from scaring away the new fish.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Solgar Garlic Oil Perles are something I never go without. I have a large supply and would be happy to share. Just call me at 808-345-1049. Midvale is next to Murray. GO has saved more of my fish than I know. In the early days of my hobby, I lost a good third of my new fish to Ich. Of course, those were the days before we knew about the benefits of UV and O3.</div><div><br></div><div>Aloha,</div><div>Mark &nbsp;<img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley31.gif" border="0" alt="Hug" title="Hug" /></div>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Dumb fish? : Thanks for the info Mark, Helpful...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5786">Kromlech</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 80061<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;18&nbsp;2016 at 10:06am<br /><br />Thanks for the info Mark, Helpful as always. I took most all precautions that I have available to me during the acclimation process, and he appears to be doing fine when left alone. Just shy. I have never tried Garlic Oil however, I will have to look into investing in some.<div><br></div><div>I am going to go home tonight and &nbsp;provide 2 feeding spots for Nori on each side of the tank to try and separate the tangs and Foxface as much as possible. The fox face ate some, Mysis last night as well as this morning so that's a good sign at least, and he did make it through the night without much trouble I assume, I kept an eye on things for a few hours after the lights went out.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I just find it weird that the YT didn't display the same, behavior with the Tomini Tang when he was introduced. he just more or less followed him around the tank, but never touched him.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 80061<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;18&nbsp;2016 at 9:34am<br /><br />Oh and regarding venom, I'd say it's more an irritant than a lethal venom, probably having the effect of scaring off possible predators. I have been stuck several times and never experienced anything more than temporary pain.<div><br></div><div>Aloha,</div><div>Mark &nbsp;<img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley31.gif" border="0" alt="Hug" title="Hug" /></div>]]>
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