WMAS Discussion Forum : UPDATE - almost all LPS slowly receeding!!!!!! http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Tue, 09 Jun 2026 02:14:42 +0000 Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:24:39 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.03 360 www.utahreefs.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=78021 <![CDATA[WMAS Discussion Forum]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/1by1.gif http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/ <![CDATA[UPDATE - almost all LPS slowly receeding!!!!!! : Do you ever put trace minerals...]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=78021&PID=608067&title=update-almost-all-lps-slowly-receeding#608067 Author: Supareef22
Subject: 78021
Posted: February 19 2016 at 7:24pm

Do you ever put trace minerals into the tank? I was having recession and picked up a small bottle and started adding it and the recession went away. ]]> Fri, 19 Feb 2016 19:24:39 +0000 http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=78021&PID=608067&title=update-almost-all-lps-slowly-receeding#608067 <![CDATA[UPDATE - almost all LPS slowly receeding!!!!!! : Best I can think of is to test...]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=78021&PID=602821&title=update-almost-all-lps-slowly-receeding#602821 Author: phys
Subject: 78021
Posted: November 09 2015 at 1:13am

Best I can think of is to test regularly keeping parameters stable. Dose small amounts to keep the parameters within 50ppm and don't dose more than 50ppm each time to reduce stress. I would suggest doing water changes but keep the levels stable around the parameters of the salt as to keep from changing them too much when doing water changes. Double check temperatures with more than one thermometer and keep the flow around the lps adequate, but nit too fast as to tug on the polyps. Only run phosphate remover if its beginning to get too high and only until it gets to a trace amount. Run carbon every few weeks to help remove the chem that are put off by the corals. ]]> Mon, 09 Nov 2015 01:13:47 +0000 http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=78021&PID=602821&title=update-almost-all-lps-slowly-receeding#602821 <![CDATA[UPDATE - almost all LPS slowly receeding!!!!!! : Patience.I&#039;m not sure how...]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=78021&PID=602570&title=update-almost-all-lps-slowly-receeding#602570 Author: Mark Peterson
Subject: 78021
Posted: November 04 2015 at 6:33pm

Patience.
I'm not sure how long the Alk was low but it probably took months of low Alk before the LPS started to show the signs of their suffering. It will take some time for stable parameters to help the coral stop receding and start to recover.

Okay, I'm going to give my advice to each point of the previous post:

Unfortunately, when parameters are good, large/frequent water changes are more often stressful to coral rather than helpful. Stability is good. Change is bad. Lots of new water is a change. Wink See the logic?

Phosphate(PO4) typically does not increase immediately after removing the PO4 removal media. Give it time. I'm going to go out on a limb here. Now that we can see a pic of the Green Mushroom Leather I believe it's safe to assume that a low PO4 level is probably not the problem and certainly not the entire problem. If PO4 were at zero and had been for a while, that particular coral would not be doing so well. Yes, a valid test would be good. Get a new test kit or have it tested.

In a previous post, I may have suggested (or was it in another thread), the cessation of Benepets Coral food, because it caused problems in LPS for another hobbyist. What the...  Well, it can't hurt to stop using it temporarily and if it is indeed the culprit or one factor in a combined issue, improvement might show rather quickly.

The sign of chemical warfare is clear to me. I'm not sure why others can't see it.  Look how the Green Mushroom Leather polyps bend with the water flow and they are clearly bending toward the right side of the Chalice. To add to the issue, the Green Mushroom Leather is shading the right side of the Chalice. Shocked Lack of light energy combined with toxic chemicals!



It's okay. You're not alone. We've all been here too. Just a tip: Frustration is easier to handle when the issue is seen as a challenge. A problem that will be solved. That is the NATURE of this hobby. Mother Nature is complicated. That's one reason I love this hobby (the hobby I'm having to de-emphasize, for purely political reasons Embarrassed )

Aloha,
Mark  Hug

Oh, one last tip. Overcrowding can be a serious issue in this hobby. I believe that applies here. This tank is definitely at the limits of overcrowding. In my experience, all those coral covering the sand may be causing some of the problems. Sorry. Cry My advice: more open sand - less coral - better growth/health
]]> Wed, 04 Nov 2015 18:33:17 +0000 http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=78021&PID=602570&title=update-almost-all-lps-slowly-receeding#602570 <![CDATA[UPDATE - almost all LPS slowly receeding!!!!!! : Marcos thanks for the input. I...]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=78021&PID=602535&title=update-almost-all-lps-slowly-receeding#602535 Author: kevski
Subject: 78021
Posted: November 04 2015 at 1:30pm

Marcos thanks for the input.  I dont think its gettting stung because it is a couple of inches below the leather and if it is being stung  that wouldnt explain why all my other LPS are receeding also... 6 acans, 4 chalices and candy cane.  All of the other LPS are located in areas where there is nothing close to them that could sting them (my acans are all in the front corner of my tank away from everything else).  And the mummy eye started receeding about two weeks after most of my other acans had already started to receed.  So Im not sure what to think at this point???  ]]> Wed, 04 Nov 2015 13:30:45 +0000 http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=78021&PID=602535&title=update-almost-all-lps-slowly-receeding#602535 <![CDATA[UPDATE - almost all LPS slowly receeding!!!!!! : Sorry to hear. I personally don&#039;t...]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=78021&PID=602517&title=update-almost-all-lps-slowly-receeding#602517 Author: Marcoss
Subject: 78021
Posted: November 03 2015 at 9:49pm

Sorry to hear. I personally don't think it's the leather. I have so many right now next to SPS without any issue. But you never know.

The recession looks more like a sting. At least to me. That leather has long sweepers. Can it reach the chalice?

What happens if you take something that is receding and place it far away from everything else that could possible touch it?]]> Tue, 03 Nov 2015 21:49:38 +0000 http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=78021&PID=602517&title=update-almost-all-lps-slowly-receeding#602517 <![CDATA[UPDATE - almost all LPS slowly receeding!!!!!! : UPDATE!!! Its been 9 days since...]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=78021&PID=602516&title=update-almost-all-lps-slowly-receeding#602516 Author: kevski
Subject: 78021
Posted: November 03 2015 at 9:43pm

UPDATE!!! Its been 9 days since my last post...  and the recession continues!! Unhappy  NOt only that but an acan that hadnt started recessing now is also... along with everything else that was recessing is still moving toward a slow death.  
Parameters tonight:  Alk - 9.2, Ca - 420, Mag - 1400.  

I performed a 25% water change yesterday and have kept alk between 8'6 and 10.0, Ca range 400 - 440.

I removed the Chemi pure blue as recommended a week ago.  Checked PO and still at 0.  I realized however, that my API test kit is quite old... 2011.  So I need to get a new one.  Suggestions on raising PO?  I feed my fish once a day and have been feeding benepets coral food every other day.  

If any one has any further suggestions please chime in... Im starting to pull my hair out... what l have left that is!! 

Chemical warfare? I have a green toadstool that is now 4" in diameter.  Its growing like crazy.  All other corals continue to thrive!  SPS polyps out all day long! Heres a pic of my Toadstool, below it you can see the mummy eye chalice that is slowing receeding on the right side. 


Im starting to second guess the 100 gal starfire tank Im going to be setting up as soon as my stand is ready... This is frustrating!


Edited by kevski - November 03 2015 at 9:50pm]]> Tue, 03 Nov 2015 21:43:56 +0000 http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=78021&PID=602516&title=update-almost-all-lps-slowly-receeding#602516 <![CDATA[UPDATE - almost all LPS slowly receeding!!!!!! : When I said dosing I was referring...]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=78021&PID=602175&title=update-almost-all-lps-slowly-receeding#602175 Author: kevski
Subject: 78021
Posted: October 28 2015 at 8:25am

When I said dosing I was referring only to Mg which I was wanting to raise to 1400. I actually work in Ogden so I'll check out that website and see if I can pick some up while at work. Thanks for everyone's input. I'll post an update in a few days. As of this morning it looks like the mummy eye is still receeding, but with lights off it was hard to tell with the others. Hopefully this recession will stop with the raised and more stable alk. If there are any other ideas I would welcome the input. Thanks!!]]> Wed, 28 Oct 2015 08:25:22 +0000 http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=78021&PID=602175&title=update-almost-all-lps-slowly-receeding#602175 <![CDATA[UPDATE - almost all LPS slowly receeding!!!!!! : Golden Pearls is a really good...]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=78021&PID=602172&title=update-almost-all-lps-slowly-receeding#602172 Author: Mark Peterson
Subject: 78021
Posted: October 28 2015 at 6:12am

Golden Pearls is a really good dry food made by BrineShrimpDirect.com The company is a WMAS supporter located in Ogden.
I may have half a bottle of Golden Pearls I could sell for cheap. I'll look later this morning.
]]> Wed, 28 Oct 2015 06:12:11 +0000 http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=78021&PID=602172&title=update-almost-all-lps-slowly-receeding#602172 <![CDATA[UPDATE - almost all LPS slowly receeding!!!!!! : I agree with Marcoss. I&#039;ve...]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=78021&PID=602171&title=update-almost-all-lps-slowly-receeding#602171 Author: Mark Peterson
Subject: 78021
Posted: October 28 2015 at 6:07am

I agree with Marcoss. I've heard the same thing about low voltage electricity actually helping growth. On one occasion our guest speaker showed us an open ocean coral farm in the South Pacific where they had stuck bare electrical leads in the water on opposite sides of a section of the farm. The electricity spread out so that the voltage passing by each individual coral colony was low. I believe the increased growth was negligible so the idea was eventually abandoned.
Sleepy

Regarding stray voltage, assuming there is no Grounding Probe or that it was removed from the water when the readings were taken, a voltage level of 14 is normal (though .2 is unusually low). It's called "ground voltage". It can be as high as 40 Volts but when it's above 40 it means there is a bare wire coming in contact with the water. That's when the defective electrical item should be found and and removed. The Eheim Jager heater in this case is safe, not a problem. All electrical components add inductively produced voltage to the water. Over the years, I've noticed that some tanks do better with a Grounding Probe even when the ground voltage level is below the tolerance limit.

I'm glad we've met. I remember that incident. To add to my data base regarding LED's, a few months ago I saw a big old Frogspawn in an old established tank die off completely when it was moved just ~10" closer to the Radion Gen 1 lights.

Regarding dosing, at those satisfactory levels, Alk 9, Ca 410, and Mg 1310, I would not have dosed. I'm starting to wonder if the new attention to these parameters is actually causing stress, since the water had been running at lower numbers for a while?, the coral were somewhat accustomed to it and only started to have issues when it dropped below a low threshold level, like Alk <7. 

There's so much that can be different, yet can be okay from one tank to the next, I'm always cautious when it comes to what I call "chasing numbers". I found it's good to let each tank system find it's own best equilibrium of parameters, creating a dosing schedule only as needed to keep coral healthy and thriving. It's a balancing act. Smile

Aloha,
Mark  Hug
]]> Wed, 28 Oct 2015 06:07:37 +0000 http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=78021&PID=602171&title=update-almost-all-lps-slowly-receeding#602171 <![CDATA[UPDATE - almost all LPS slowly receeding!!!!!! : Seems to me like SPS would be...]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=78021&PID=602132&title=update-almost-all-lps-slowly-receeding#602132 Author: Marcoss
Subject: 78021
Posted: October 27 2015 at 9:02am

Seems to me like SPS would be the first to go with stray voltage. There is always some voltage though. Not sure what the threshold is for killing corals. In fact, some coral farms have been experimenting with adding voltage for years. I have not seen any hard numbers on growth, but rumors has it that it can actually help grow corals quicker. ]]> Tue, 27 Oct 2015 09:02:26 +0000 http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=78021&PID=602132&title=update-almost-all-lps-slowly-receeding#602132