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   <title><![CDATA[Skimmer pros and cons : I&amp;#039;ve always been a strong...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=298">tileman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 49967<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;09&nbsp;2011 at 9:15am<br /><br />I've always been a strong advocate for a protein skimmer.<div>Enough said.<img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" alt="Big smile" title="Big smile" /></div>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Skimmer pros and cons : David oh my gosh you hit the nail...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1318">bstuver</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 49967<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;09&nbsp;2011 at 1:00am<br /><br />David oh my gosh you hit the nail on the head lol]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=2264">DLindquist</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 49967<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;08&nbsp;2011 at 11:56pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by BobC63" alt="Originally posted by BobC63" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>BobC63 wrote:</strong><br /><br />Mark, you know we love ya <img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" />... but you're <em>talkin crazy</em> again!<div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>(Now, if you can tell you me that you have some of this&nbsp; <img src="http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn130/wetthumbfrags/April%202011/miraclemilli.jpg" border="0" />&nbsp;and it still looks like this in a <em>skimmerless</em> setup that is stocked with more than 1 <em>small</em> fish for every 50 gallons of water...???)</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div><strong>Then </strong>you will have my attention.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div></td></tr></table><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>From the two set ups I have seen of Marks, he prefers to grow algae and softies. What would be the use of a skimmer?</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;I get tired of him bashing&nbsp;those who don't agree with him. If people want to take his advice, go for it. However, I got into this hobby for the beauty of salt water and the challenges it presents. Had I wanted a tank like Marks, I would have gone with a planted freshwater! The End.</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by DLindquist - July&nbsp;09&nbsp;2011 at 2:22am</span>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Skimmer pros and cons :   rfoote wrote:  Never said&#194;&#160;Mark...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1318">bstuver</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 49967<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;08&nbsp;2011 at 10:50pm<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by rfoote" alt="Originally posted by rfoote" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>rfoote wrote:</strong><br /><br /><br /><br />Never said Mark was wrong.  Just that there is more than one way to go about things and still accomplish a desired outcome.  Not much for the my way or the highway approach...</td></tr></table> <br /><br />Agree 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=92">rfoote</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 49967<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;08&nbsp;2011 at 10:49pm<br /><br />Never said&nbsp;Mark was wrong.&nbsp; Just that there is more than&nbsp;one way to go about things and still accomplish a desired outcome.&nbsp; Not much for the my way or the highway approach...]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1709">Seth</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 49967<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;08&nbsp;2011 at 10:21pm<br /><br />I agree with mark. A few years back I took his advise about going skimmerless and never had any problems due to it. My tank was about 8 years old when i removed it. Looked the same as before but i started seeing some more life growing( a lot of sponge sprouted up).A skimmer is more like a safety net in my eyes rather than a required piece of equipment. I honestly wouldn't buy one for my new set up but if you have it you might as well just buy the new pump.<br>As of saying mark was wrong about what he said you would be 100% wrong. I have never gone wrong by listening to his advise. <br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=92">rfoote</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 49967<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;08&nbsp;2011 at 12:33pm<br /><br />I don't know if we really answered the pros/cons ? - Stolen from a post on Reefs.org<br><br>Pros<br><span ="corners-top"><span></span></span>								1. removes nitrogenous compounds before they're oxidized to nitrate.<br>2. serves as a fast-reacting safeguard against nutrient "spikes" (something biological nitrogen export mechanisms like macroagle can't assure)<br>3. keeps water at full oxygen saturation 24/7.<br>4. provides water stability through greater gas exchange between water and air (you'd be suprised how big an effect this can have).<br><br>Cons:<br>1. Cost upfront and to run<br>2. maintenance (emptying collection cup)<br>4. removes plankton from the water column<br>5. exports not only bad products, but also some good/necessary elements and compounds, like iodine and NaCl.<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1638">BobC63</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 49967<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;08&nbsp;2011 at 12:29pm<br /><br />Mark, you know we love ya <img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" />... but you're <EM>talkin crazy</EM> again!<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I will start off by saying you are <strong>100% right </strong>when you say a skimmer is not <EM>neccesary</EM> to run a saltwater tank.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>However - and this is a VERY&nbsp;BIG however - the way most hobbysists (including me)&nbsp;like to stock their reefs, it just makes <EM>alot more sense</EM> to run a skimmer than to try and do without.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>And I don't think choosing to run a skimmer has anything to do with being "lazy" <img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Ouch" title="Ouch" />. You have to set the thing up correctly, adjust the output so that it doesn't overflow or underskim, then you have to empty the cup every couple of days, clean the cup and sometimes the whole skimmer from time to time, check it somewhat often to make sure it is operating properly, etc. And since skimmers are somewhat dependant on a stable water height, you have to be even more diligent on your water topoffs and keeping your water level stable than if you run skimmerless. So I'm not seeing anything that would indicate a pattern of laziness when it comes to skimmer operation and maintenance.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Now, my first tanks (probably my first 5 or 6 tanks, actually) didn't have skimmers, because basically there was no such thing available to the home hobbyist back in the 1970's <img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Shocked" title="Shocked" /></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>(Yeah, I'm old - get over it!)&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>My first skimmer was a "Lee's" brand&nbsp;airstone driven hang-in-the-tank skimmer (which, believe it or not, they still make!) and, if you ran clean wooden airstones with enough (air)&nbsp;pump pressure,&nbsp;<EM>and</EM> fiddled&nbsp;with it alot, <EM>and</EM> had it just&nbsp;the right height in the tank...&nbsp;it pulled out what looked like a very watery tea colored skimmate. By today's standards we would say it was a very crappy skimmer.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>And since then I have used many different skimmers; ASMs,&nbsp;Coralife,&nbsp;Nautilus, Remoras, Reef Octos, Bubble Magus.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>To me, my tanks always look 'cleaner', with clearer water, when running a skimmer. This also means better light penetration and (IMO) better coral growing conditions for those corals that like more light (most LPS and SPS corals). A skimmer oxygenates your water as well. </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>And (again, IMO) you can certainy grow SPS w/o a skimmer... HOWEVER, the more delicate, more colorful, and (of course) more pricey LPS and SPS pieces run a far greater risk of "browning out" due to excess nutrients in the water, or nutrient level fluctations in the water, in a skimmerless setup.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Now, If I take my fish - filled reef tank and put this into it</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><img src="http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn130/wetthumbfrags/April%202011/miraclemilli.jpg" border="0" /></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I sure don't want it to turn into this because of excess nutrients in the water</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><a href="http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5308/5624752082_1cb6600994.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.thesea.org/coral-reef/millepora/millepora-coral.htm&amp;usg=__qnRKgtRnxqJvIWmJf2pRks4M_uY=&amp;h=412&amp;w=500&amp;sz=135&amp;hl=en&amp;start=50&amp;zoom=1&amp;tbnid=m2oybUazNa3bGM:&amp;tbnh=107&amp;tbnw=130&amp;ei=wTsXTubMI-TTiAKIxKnSBQ&amp;prev=/search%3Fq%3Dbrown%2Bmillepora%2Bcoral%26start%3D40%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26tbm%3Disch&amp;um=1&amp;itbs=1" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/uploads/1638/Ximages.jpg" height="284" width="345" border="0" /></A></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>And running a skimmer helps to ensure it doesn't <img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Big smile" title="Big smile" /></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>(Now, if you can tell you me that you have some of this&nbsp; <img src="http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn130/wetthumbfrags/April%202011/miraclemilli.jpg" border="0" />&nbsp;and it still looks like this in a <EM>skimmerless</EM> setup that is stocked with more than 1 <EM>small</EM> fish for every 50 gallons of water...???)</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong>Then </strong>you will have my attention.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=92">rfoote</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 49967<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;08&nbsp;2011 at 11:41am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Adam Blundell" alt="Originally posted by Adam Blundell" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Adam Blundell wrote:</strong><br /><br />Oh geez, I'm just going to skip this thread.<br><br>Adam</td></tr></table><br><br>You're a wiser man than I Adam!<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=2655">jwoo</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 49967<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> July&nbsp;08&nbsp;2011 at 11:13am<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Adam Blundell" alt="Originally posted by Adam Blundell" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Adam Blundell wrote:</strong><br /><br />Oh geez, I'm just going to skip this thread.<br /><br />Adam</td></tr></table> <br /><br />Come on now don't be lazy!  <img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> ]]>
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