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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=576">jacob_poly</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4928<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> January&nbsp;22&nbsp;2005 at 5:57pm<br /><br /><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="95%" align=center><T><TR><TD =bold>Quote:<BR><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" bgColor=#999999><T><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100%" bgColor=#ffffff><T><TR><TD =text>3) What is the age of the tank?</TD></TR></T></TABLE></TD></TR></T></TABLE></TD></TR></T></TABLE><P>IMO this is of little consequence. </P><P>- <EM>To some extent but I think you need to wait atleast 6 months to let you tank settle down before even thinking of an anemone. And then you need to double check all parameters before adding any</EM>.</P><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="95%" align=center><T><TR><TD =bold><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" bgColor=#999999><T><TR><TD></TD></TR></T></TABLE></TD></TR></T></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="95%" align=center><T><TR><TD =bold>Quote:<BR><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" bgColor=#999999><T><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100%" bgColor=#ffffff><T><TR><TD =text>5) Dissolved organics - are these under control with a good skimmer?</TD></TR></T></TABLE></TD></TR></T></TABLE></TD></TR></T></TABLE><P>IMO the terms "under control" and "good skimmer" are totally different from one person to the next. Beyond that, over skimming could be an issue for a filter feeding. FWIW, there are plenty of happy skimmerless anemones out there. </P><P>- <EM>Probably, but I think its always better to err on the side of overskimming than underskimming or not skimming at all. Also this would depend on the tolerance of the anemone species. FOr example, my LTA freaks out a lot earlier than my BTAs when water quality declines. Maybe there are a few people who have nurtured anemones without a skimmer (and there surely are reasons for their success) but I prefer the skimmer route. Its made a world of difference to the health of my anemone</EM>.<BR></P><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="95%" align=center><T><TR><TD =bold>Quote:<BR><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" bgColor=#999999><T><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100%" bgColor=#ffffff><T><TR><TD =text>7) Lighting - Depending on species the type and amount of light required may vary. Taller tanks may need MH for greater penetration. Also a minimum of 4 Watts/Gallon is a MUST. Try and provide maximum lighting. 6 W/G and above is ideal</TD></TR></T></TABLE></TD></TR></T></TABLE></TD></TR></T></TABLE><P><BR><BR>I believe watts/gallon is a meaningless standard. Intensity of light on the animal is all that matters. Indirect shaded light in 10000w/gal tank is still just indirect shaded light. Conversely, an anemone would be happy in a 10000 gallon tank at 1w/gal if it were right under the light. Ultimately, the BTA will likely find one of the highest/brightest spots in the tank and take up residence. <BR><BR>Personally I recommend MH lights. From what I've seen BTAs do MUCH better with them. </P><P>- <EM>agreed with the MH option. <strong>Anemone happy with 1 w/g if it were the right kind</strong>? <IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0">...Hmmmm...not totally sure about that. But I agree that its better to have more light and preferably MH and if the anemone needs shade it can always seek it</EM>.</P><P><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="95%" align=center><T><TR><TD =bold>Quote:<BR><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" bgColor=#999999><T><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100%" bgColor=#ffffff><T><TR><TD =text>11) Clownfishes can be cute but also a pain sometimes when trying to feed an anemone as they can pilfer food. This is not always the case but is common.</TD></TR></T></TABLE></TD></TR></T></TABLE></TD></TR></T></TABLE></P><P>I've seen this happen. But I've also seen clowns pull food out of the current and toss it in the anemone. Ultimately, I feel that a hosted clown will do far more good than harm. </P><P>- <EM>Probably in 95% of the cases. In my situation it was doing more bad than good and I sold a clarkii off to save to my LTA. Now I have an ocellaris that is much better behaved. I guess you just have to observe how the partnership develops. Its usually good but just because I have experienced otherwise I thought I should mention it. Some people just go and buy a clown when they find their anemone looks not so good. IMO, there are root causes for poor anemone health&nbsp;and most likely not&nbsp;because of the absence of a clown.</EM></P><P><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="95%" align=center><T><TR><TD =bold>Quote:<BR><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" bgColor=#999999><T><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100%" bgColor=#ffffff><T><TR><TD =text>12) Water changes of about 7-10% per week is good</TD></TR></T></TABLE></TD></TR></T></TABLE></TD></TR></T></TABLE></P><P>This is an opinion about reefkeeping in general. Some believe it, some dont. Like my skimmer opinion, it's not hard to find happy old-water anemones. </P><P><EM>Agreed - but this would be a tank to tank thing. It all depends on the quality of the water and how well the ecosystem is balanced. When its not, then you have trouble.</EM></P><P>Thanks for the discussion Chris, I liked it and I think a lot of people will benifit from reading it as well. Ciao!!</P><P>Jake.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=466">jglover</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4928<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> January&nbsp;10&nbsp;2005 at 8:33am<br /><br />To see an intersting sight search for reef fatalities on the invertebrate forum it's a two inch RBTA eating a 2" cleaner shrimp.&nbsp; They can open wide.&nbsp; Some clownfish will beat the anenome to death as the case with mine I've tried everything I can think of the help him out but removal of one of the two will have to happen.&nbsp; So I'm setting up a hospital tank for him but I think that this is a rare problem.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=157">Simple</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4928<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> January&nbsp;10&nbsp;2005 at 2:11am<br /><br />Hello everyone,<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Quote" alt="Quote" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> What is xooanthellae?</td></tr></table><br /><br />I don't have a clue. Sorry, I really should have checked my spelling on that one. Try looking for zooxanthellae. As previously described it's basically a symbiotic algae.<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Quote" alt="Quote" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> I just read some where that if you force fed anemones with to large of food that it could hert the</td></tr></table><br /><br />First of all, it's borderline impossible to force an anemone to eat.<br /><br />Second, the mouth of the anemone is kinda like a snakes jaw. They can open a lot farther than you think they would.<br /><br />Finally, while i supposed it is <em>possible</em> that an anemone could choke, i suspect the anemone would just spit it out first.<br /><br />FWIW, I've watched polyps try to choke down krill of equal size. I bet they could do it too, if the worms would give them enough time.<br /><br /><br /><br />Thanks for the list Jacob, it's all good info to share. Generally I agree with what you've stated. Here are a few of my opinions to add:<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Quote" alt="Quote" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> Dont keep flipping rocks to have the BTA in view.</td></tr></table><br /><br />I agree 100%. Let it do what it wants to do. Also realize that they like to mount their foot upside down and protected. From this position they'll turn their oral disk over facing the light. Even if it starts out somwhere you can't see it, evenutally it will grown and show up.<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Quote" alt="Quote" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> 3) What is the age of the tank?</td></tr></table><br /><br />IMO this is of little consequence.<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Quote" alt="Quote" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> 4) What is the size of the tank? Larger tanks are always better. A minimum of 30 gallons being recommended.</td></tr></table><br /><br />I agree. At that 30 gallon minimum I would likely keep only the anemones and it's splits. To keep a tank with more variety I would recommend a 55. From there plan for your anemone/s to take up atleast 1/3 of it.<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Quote" alt="Quote" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> 5) Dissolved organics - are these under control with a good skimmer?</td></tr></table><br /><br />IMO the terms "under control" and "good skimmer" are totally different from one person to the next. Beyond that, over skimming could be an issue for a filter feeding. FWIW, there are plenty of happy skimmerless anemones out there.<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Quote" alt="Quote" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> 7) Lighting - Depending on species the type and amount of light required may vary. Taller tanks may need MH for greater penetration. Also a minimum of 4 Watts/Gallon is a MUST. Try and provide maximum lighting. 6 W/G and above is ideal</td></tr></table><br /><br />I believe watts/gallon is a meaningless standard. Intensity of light on the animal is all that matters. Indirect shaded light in 10000w/gal tank is still just indirect shaded light. Conversely, an anemone would be happy in a 10000 gallon tank at 1w/gal if it were right under the light. Ultimately, the BTA will likely find one of the highest/brightest spots in the tank and take up residence.<br /><br />Personally I recommend MH lights. From what I've seen BTAs do MUCH better with them.<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Quote" alt="Quote" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> 8) Try to avoid mixing corals and anemones in a tank if possible. Anemones can move, somtimes also float and can easily end by in hand to hand combat causing problems. Even if they do not they could still wage chemical warfare against each other.</td></tr></table><br /><br />IMO mixing corals and anemones can be, but doesn't need to be, a problem. You just have to remember that as they grow, they take up a lot of space. Put the anemone in before the corals. Let it get settled in for a month+. Then plan atleast 6"+ each direction for it. They can and do split when they're smaller, but you shouldn't count on it. Even if the anemone does split, the splits usually like to wander a couple few inches. As you add corals to the tank take care to keep a similar current on the anemones area. If you add large coral somewhere that blocks flow, the anemone may start wandering. Finally, if you plan ahead and give it plenty of room, there shouldn't be any problems.<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Quote" alt="Quote" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> 11) Clownfishes can be cute but also a pain sometimes when trying to feed an anemone as they can pilfer food. This is not always the case but is common.</td></tr></table><br /><br />I've seen this happen. But I've also seen clowns pull food out of the current and toss it in the anemone. Ultimately, I feel that a hosted clown will do far more good than harm.<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Quote" alt="Quote" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> 12) Water changes of about 7-10% per week is good</td></tr></table><br /><br />This is an opinion about reefkeeping in general. Some believe it, some dont. Like my skimmer opinion, it's not hard to find happy old-water anemones.<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Quote" alt="Quote" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> 13) Specific gravity should be on the higher side - 1.024-1.026</td></tr></table><br /><br />IMO, this isn't on the high side. 25ish is just right.<br /><br /><br /><br />Hope that helps,<br />Chris]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=756">HHHdxSMH</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4928<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> January&nbsp;09&nbsp;2005 at 11:50pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by jacob_poly" alt="Originally posted by jacob_poly" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>jacob_poly wrote:</strong><br /><br /><P>I know this is more than you asked for but thought I'd share it anyways.</P><P></td></tr></table> </P><P>Thats ok, thank you for all the helpful information.</P><P>Eric</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=576">jacob_poly</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4928<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> January&nbsp;09&nbsp;2005 at 10:18pm<br /><br /><P>the first week is usually the most critical. I would release teh anemone in an area of&nbsp; medium water flow and close to where you want it to finally reside. Placing it in the proximity of a rock will help. Also if it does not float away you can place it in a crevice on the rock. BTAs usually attach pretty good and are easy to keep. Initially if it shies away from light and goes under some rock work let it be. Dont keep flipping rocks to have the BTA in view. Eventually it will move higher and try to bask in full light. Sometimes, unforunately for us, it decides to attach to the rear of a rock or the back glass....:(. </P><P>Also important is observing the color of the anemone. If its loses its zoo, it will be in the first couple of days. Watch the mouth, it should not start to look tired or gaping. The first couple of days might be stressful. However, if the anemone remains shrivelled for too long (a day or more) it could be because your water conditions are not up to the mark, lighting is not adequate, etc.</P><P>When trying to explain problems with anemones its best to use a check list - <BR>1) What was the anemones conditions when it was bought?<BR>2) What are Nh3, N02, N03 levels? (Atleast the first two should be zero and the last less than 15 ppm)<BR>3) What is the age of the tank? Longer established tanks are more stable chemistry wise<BR>4) What is the size of the tank? Larger tanks are always better. A minimum of 30 gallons being recommended.<BR>5) Dissolved organics - are these under control with a good skimmer?<BR>6) pH and alkalinity - are these good?<BR>7) Lighting - Depending on species the type and amount of light required may vary. Taller tanks may need MH for greater penetration. Also a minimum of 4 Watts/Gallon is a MUST. Try and provide maximum lighting. 6 W/G and above is ideal<BR>8) Try to avoid mixing corals and anemones in a tank if possible. Anemones can move, somtimes also float and can easily end by in hand to hand combat causing problems. Even if they do not they could still wage chemical warfare against each other. <BR>9) You can attempt to feed an anemone a couple of days after introduction into a tank but dont exert repeated attempts to feed if it refuses food. Wont elaborate on feeding here as there are enough posts on the WWW about feeding methods, food, food size, frequency etc.<BR>10) If adding more than one type of anemone (not really recommended for small tanks) try getting a bottom dweller and a rock dweller so that the twain will not meet.<BR>11) Clownfishes can be cute but also a pain sometimes when trying to feed an anemone as they can pilfer food. This is not always the case but is common.<BR>12) Water changes of about 7-10% per week is good<BR>13) Specific gravity should be on the higher side - 1.024-1.026<BR>14) Mouth should be tight and not gaping</P><P>Specifically I found BTAs to be low maintenance. They are quick feeders and generally more tolerant of not so pristine water conditions. Plus being rock dwellers tehy can climb higher to get more light. </P><P>I know this is more than you asked for but thought I'd share it anyways.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=711">j's55</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4928<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> January&nbsp;09&nbsp;2005 at 4:40pm<br /><br />I  was not refering to you sean. I just read some where <br />that if you force fed anemones with to large of food that <br />it could hert the]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=85">SSpargur</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4928<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> January&nbsp;09&nbsp;2005 at 4:35pm<br /><br /><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by j's55" alt="Originally posted by j's55" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>j's55 wrote:</strong><br /><br />I meant if you force feed w/to large of food it is harder <BR>for them to eat it but I could be wrong. I thought it was <BR>bad for the anemone if you just shoved it down but the <BR>material I read could have been wrong too<SPAN =smText><BR><BR></SPAN></td></tr></table> </P><P>I never said shove it down it's throat!&nbsp; <IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0">&nbsp; I simply place a piece of shrimp near a tentacle and it latches onto the food with it's nematocysts and pulls the food into it's own mouth.&nbsp; If anemones can swallow fish, I doubt a chunk of shrimp will choke it. </P>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Anem&#111;ne Questi&#111;n : It is the algae within the corals...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=711">j's55</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4928<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> January&nbsp;09&nbsp;2005 at 4:05pm<br /><br />It is the algae within the corals tissue and it is <br />"zooxanthellae" It is where they get the nutrients to <br />survive that is why they need light. It is also what <br />makes them colorful usually the brighter the color the <br />more light it need. But animals like most gorgonian where <br />the polyps are white that means that the tissue has no <br />zooxanthellae and that it eats planktonic foods like <br />brine shrimp, Rotifers, cyclop-eeze, so on. If they are a <br />filter feeder they eat smaller things like phytoplankton <br />or fish waste for filter feeders you can mix around your <br />sand and they eat the bacteria and other things that <br />float up. <br /><br />Most anemones have zooxanthelae and eat meaty foods and <br />some just eat meaty foods. A bubble tip is photosynthetic <br />and carnivorous they like strong light and strong water <br />flow. <br /><br />Photosynthetic means they have zooxanthelae and require <br />light. Carnivorous means they eat meaty foods like squid, <br />shrimp, krill, any thing that was<span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by j's55</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=756">HHHdxSMH</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4928<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> January&nbsp;09&nbsp;2005 at 12:41am<br /><br /><P>What is xooanthellae?</P><P>&nbsp;</P><P>Eric</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=157">Simple</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4928<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> January&nbsp;08&nbsp;2005 at 8:49pm<br /><br />Hello everyone,<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Quote" alt="Quote" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> I thaught if you jammed the food into the center it can choke</td></tr></table><br /><br />I sincerely doubt this would happen. <br /><br /><br />While we're at it, here are a few more BTA and feeding things to think about: <br /><br />Make sure the BTA is happy, intact and ready/able to eat before buying it. Find one that is colored, attached, inflated and has a tight mouth. <br /><br />Don't expect it to eat for the first few days/week. Give it the chance, but it seems like they always need a little time to settle in.<br /><br />Expect it to deflate and look dead every now and then. It's how they get rid of waste and take in new water (filter feed). When BTAs split the pieces can stay deflated for several days/week. Otherwise the process shouldn't take more than ~24hrs. IMO a hosted clown will help the deflation/inflation process and likely make for a happier anemone.<br /><br />I'm not sure if this qualifies as feeding.. But if you haven't already, do some reading about xooanthellae. A happy BTA will have color. Red, green or brown are typical. A pale, white or colorless BTA is not happy.<br /><br />Finally, back when I kept shrimp(cleaner and peps) with my anemones there was usually competition for the food. The shrimp had no problem dancing across the anemones and stealing food right from their mouths. Honestly, it was really cool to watch. But unfortunately, the anemones would get annoyed and shrivel up without eating. <br /><br />Hope that helps,<br />Chris]]>
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