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   <title><![CDATA[Member payment opti&#111;ns : ad noseum?  a. ideas are running...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4192<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November&nbsp;03&nbsp;2004 at 10:30pm<br /><br />ad noseum?<br /><br />a. ideas are running out your nose<br />b. stuff that idea up your nose<br />c. here's a good idea, add another nose<br />d. I've got a mind to add your nose to a museum<br />e. all of the above<br />f. none of the above<br /><br /><br /><br /> <img border="0" src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0"> <span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Mark Peterson</span>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Member payment opti&#111;ns : All such wonderful questions and...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5">Adam Blundell</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4192<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November&nbsp;03&nbsp;2004 at 10:04pm<br /><br /><P>All such wonderful questions and ideas...... which we've discussed ad nauseum in presidency meetings for years.</P><P>Adam<BR>(edit- fixed it, yes I'm an idiot)</P><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Adam Blundell</span>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Member payment opti&#111;ns : Silly thoughts... So should guests...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=567">vangvace</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4192<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November&nbsp;03&nbsp;2004 at 6:01pm<br /><br /><P>Silly thoughts...</P><P>So should guests post things that they have to sell or&nbsp;trade in buy/sell/ or trade since they're not paid members? (side thought: I find it interesting that some paid members have no problem getting something from a guest, but have heartburn if it's the other way around)</P><P>Other than mainly being folks from Utah what seperates this forum from other ones available online? Shipping charges if you trade or buy from another on the forum? Mark's everchanging hotline? </P><P>&nbsp;I think that the discount some stores give as well as being able to show off our tanks (say on the reef tour) are the two best benefits the club offers as a club</P><P>I believe that if you make guests wait while paid-members pick through frags there will not be anything left for the guests. Well maybe some Xenia<IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0"></P><P>The fact that guests pay more when they buy frags from the club I think works out well. As soon as a guest buys 5 frags from the club the bring in more money for the club then a paid member in a year that also bought 5 frags. (Dues + frag cost)</P><P>As a non-profit organization should WMAS have just enough money, a surplus, or be a means for "elitists" to procure rare corals cheap?</P><P>&nbsp;</P>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2004 18:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Member payment opti&#111;ns :  I think Connie has a great idea....]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=221">smQQkin</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4192<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November&nbsp;03&nbsp;2004 at 4:21pm<br /><br /><P>&nbsp;</P><P>I think Connie has a great idea. It gives visitors the chance to take a look around. They get to see the benefits of belonging to the club.</P><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Connie" alt="Originally posted by Connie" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Connie wrote:</strong><br /><br />I think that the club should allow 25 post and then if you wish to contiune to gain knowledge, support, and deals, you must become a member...... That is just my 2 cents or 25.00 bucks.....Either way, I think its the best 25 Ive ever spent... If you dont agree, you should not have the advantage of club... Or maybe members should trade and or sell only to member thus giving incentive to join... Just a thought</td></tr></table> </P><P>As for the visitors that continue to use the resources, but dont want to spend the $$$. Put them on a payment plan at 21% bill them $8.00 a month for three months. Or better yet. After the 25 posts or views, give them the oppunitity to purchase a 30 day membership for $5.95. If they like what they see, they can convert it to a annaul membership.</P><P>Foremost, I am not to keen on paying for those who want a free ride.&nbsp;This world&nbsp;continues to teach people that they can <U>expect everything</U>, but <U>give nothing</U> in return. Yet retaining all the benefits that the life has to offer.</P><P>If the benefits are the same, then I&nbsp;dont see alot of&nbsp;difference from joining/not joining. My accountant wont even let me take the tax deduction for the membership fee. I would rather donate if thats the case.</P><P>&nbsp;</P>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Member payment opti&#111;ns : smokin I agree with you completely!!!!...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=564">bugzme</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4192<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November&nbsp;03&nbsp;2004 at 4:12pm<br /><br />smokin I agree with you completely!!!! And yes I smoke way too much!!]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Member payment opti&#111;ns : As a non-paying member thinking...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=561">pmpt</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4192<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November&nbsp;03&nbsp;2004 at 3:41pm<br /><br />As a non-paying member thinking about getting a paid membership for the year 2005. I would like to give my opinion on this issue. If I would have had to pay for a membership before I could browse the forum, getting and asking advice, I probably would have just passed it on by. The club would probably lose its most valueable recruiting tool, the friendly advice we get here. But from day one I haven't felt like I was discriminated against because I wasn't a paid member. On the topic of only letting paid member get corals, or for lower prices, or only selling to paid members, or offering the frags at the meetings to paid members first I believe would only push people away from the club. <br />By letting everyone share in the vast knowledge that is on this website, both paid and non-paid users, I believe you will only encourage people to become a paid member. That is how I am going to become a paid member, through the warm friendship I've seen  in this club.]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Member payment opti&#111;ns : I am also very new to salt water....]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=632">jfoerster</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4192<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November&nbsp;03&nbsp;2004 at 3:25pm<br /><br /><P>I am also very new to salt water.&nbsp; I knew that to truely get into the hobby I needed to belong to a club.&nbsp; I agree with smQQkin that yes this is an expensive hobby and $24 a year is nothing compared to what you pay throughout the year on your tank.</P><P>I believe that those who do pay the membership fee should have first choice at frags that are being sold at the meeting.&nbsp; They were the ones willing to pay the dues which allow for the meeting to be held in the first place.&nbsp; If it weren't for those who pay the small due there wouldn't be much of a club.</P><P>I understand there are those out there that do offer advice for free on this site.&nbsp; I would love to see a paid member section only, but then a general post section for those that aren't paid memebers.&nbsp; This would allow the benefits to those who do pay and also allow for those free riders in life.</P>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Member payment opti&#111;ns : I totally agree with smQQkin....]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=35">KeoDog</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4192<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November&nbsp;03&nbsp;2004 at 12:31pm<br /><br />I totally agree with smQQkin.&nbsp; With such a mad dash to get frags, I think that members should get the first chance.&nbsp; This can be explained at the beginning so if someone wants a better selection then they can buy a membership.]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2004 12:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Member payment opti&#111;ns : I am still a &amp;#034;Rookie&amp;#034;...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=221">smQQkin</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4192<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November&nbsp;03&nbsp;2004 at 12:20pm<br /><br /><P>I am still a "Rookie" compared to some in this club. However, I agree with charging membership dues. It helps the club provide&nbsp;useful information about this hobby, provides technology(the use&nbsp;of this forum), and provides us a place to meet. </P><P>I also think that the frags that are being offered should only be offered to those that have a current membership <U>first</U>. Then if there are frags left,&nbsp;sold to those individuals that do not have a membership.</P><P>What is the motivation to those that choose not to pay dues or fees? If you can afford to set up tank, you should be able to afford the membership.</P><P>&nbsp;</P>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Member payment opti&#111;ns : Yes well said Mark. Adam ]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5">Adam Blundell</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 4192<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November&nbsp;02&nbsp;2004 at 9:41am<br /><br /><P>Yes well said Mark.</P><P>Adam</P>]]>
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