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   <title><![CDATA[Too much flow? :   thefu wrote:Bob, the amount...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1638">BobC63</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 36357<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November&nbsp;11&nbsp;2009 at 4:09pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by thefu" alt="Originally posted by thefu" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>thefu wrote:</strong><br /><br />Bob, the amount of crap removed from my filter sock IS directly proportional to how much water runs over it. You may have a point with the skimmer though...but it will all get skimmed eventually at the skimmers rate.<BR><BR><BR><BR></td></tr></table> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>OK, Terence you got me on the filter sock part <img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I thought you were referring to a carbon reactor or canister when you spoke of "mechanical filtration"</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Too much flow? : It seems to me that any speed...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 36357<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November&nbsp;11&nbsp;2009 at 8:10am<br /><br />It seems to me that any speed of flow through the refugium does wonders for a reef display. I've seen it all work. I started a new thread because the thoughts just started flowing...as usual <img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Embarrassed" title="Embarrassed" /><DIV><a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36396" target="_blank">http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36396</A></DIV>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Too much flow? : Bob, the amount of crap removed...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=2450">thefu</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 36357<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November&nbsp;10&nbsp;2009 at 7:52pm<br /><br />Bob, the amount of crap removed from my filter sock IS directly proportional to how much water runs over it. You may have a point with the skimmer though...but it will all get skimmed eventually at the skimmers rate.<br><br><br><br>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Too much flow? : Fu -   Actually, the rated...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1638">BobC63</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 36357<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November&nbsp;10&nbsp;2009 at 7:40pm<br /><br /><DIV>Fu -</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Actually, the rated capacities of your skimmer and mechanical filtration will determine how much water gets treated, not the sump gph flow. </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>If you have a skimmer that can skim (for example) 100g of water per hour, it will skim that same&nbsp;100g / hr no matter how fast or slow&nbsp;water is passing through the sump.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>So, if your sump flow gph is alot less than 100g / hr, then some of the water gets skimmed twice before getting pumped out of the sump and back into the display.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>But, if your sump flow gph is way above 100 g / hr, then some of the water never gets skimmed before it gets pumped back in to the display. </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Same thing if you run a canister or media reactor off the sump.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>IMO, the ideal would be to try to match your sump gph with your skimmer gph so that most or all the water that flows into the sump gets skimmed before it returns to the display rather than being bypassed because your return pump gph is 10X higher than your skimmer pump gph. Plus, (in general) if you use "in-display" or even closed loop pumps for gph you tend to get more gph per watt of electricity used,&nbsp;since the in-display / CL&nbsp;pumps don't have to overcome the several feet of head pressure&nbsp;that a return pumps does...</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by BobC63 - November&nbsp;10&nbsp;2009 at 7:44pm</span>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Too much flow? :    dew2loud1 wrote:Focus on...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1739">chk4tix</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 36357<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November&nbsp;10&nbsp;2009 at 2:10pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by dew2loud1" alt="Originally posted by dew2loud1" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>dew2loud1 wrote:</strong><br /><br />Focus on in tank flow, not high return flow from your sump.&nbsp; I'dturn the return pump down and add a couple koralia's.&nbsp; High flowthrough the sump is not beneficial.&nbsp; You can easily do only 300gph flow through to your sump and supplement with internal powerheadswhich are much easier to focus and provide much wider flow patterns.</td></tr></table><br><br>This is how I have always believed you should do it.&nbsp; With my system my return is only about 600-700gph in my 120g. &nbsp; The slower flow allows the pods to reproduce quickly and also lets the skimmer filter more water before it moves out of the sump and back to the main tank.&nbsp; <br>The flow in the main tank is provided by 4 - K4's which is around 4800gph + the returns<br>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Too much flow? : so turnover in your sump is 20x...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=2450">thefu</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 36357<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November&nbsp;10&nbsp;2009 at 12:55pm<br /><br />so turnover in your sump is 20x hour. Mine is about 40x. My Chaeto grows well, the tank looks good... it has three compartments, one for the skimmer/carbon/sock, then the refuge, then a bubble trap, then the return compartment.<div><br></div><div>Well, I guess there are many ways from A-&gt;B. I agree that maybe a pump half the size I have might be better simply from a power consumption perspective.</div>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Too much flow? : It really all depends on how your...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1930">dew2loud1</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 36357<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November&nbsp;10&nbsp;2009 at 11:56am<br /><br />It really all depends on how your sump is set up with bubble traps etc,also ideal flow through a refugium is less than 300 gph.&nbsp; In asetup like this where the drains are an issue i'd much rather play itsafe.<br>Generally is a bit cheaper to have a smaller return pump and runkoralias which only use 6-15 watts rather than a large return pump.<br>That being said i have 4000 gph going though my sump, but is also six feet long and holds over 200 gallons.<br>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Too much flow? : That was my thought. Maybe have...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=2798">Luckedout</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 36357<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November&nbsp;10&nbsp;2009 at 11:49am<br /><br />That was my thought. Maybe have less flow through the return pump and get a couple of koralia's to circulate the tank better.&nbsp;]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Too much flow? : Doesn&amp;#039;t the amount of flow...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=2450">thefu</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 36357<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November&nbsp;10&nbsp;2009 at 11:48am<br /><br />Doesn't the amount of flow through your sump also dictate how much water gets mechanically filtered and skimmed during a day?<div><br></div><div>With my 1100gph I don't see any issues in my sump or refugium. Am I missing something?</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1930">dew2loud1</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 36357<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> November&nbsp;10&nbsp;2009 at 11:45am<br /><br />Focus on in tank flow, not high return flow from your sump.&nbsp; I'dturn the return pump down and add a couple koralia's.&nbsp; High flowthrough the sump is not beneficial.&nbsp; You can easily do only 300gph flow through to your sump and supplement with internal powerheadswhich are much easier to focus and provide much wider flow patterns.]]>
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