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   <title><![CDATA[Cleaning : Come to the meeting tonight. Everyone...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1965<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> March&nbsp;04&nbsp;2004 at 9:56am<br /><br />Come to the meeting tonight. Everyone is welcome.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Cleaning : I think I have my problem on it&amp;#039;s...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=315">Tresa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1965<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> March&nbsp;04&nbsp;2004 at 6:23am<br /><br />I think I have my problem on it's way to being under control, I have come up with a few more factors that i didn't think about before and things are starting to mellow out. I am still going to change some more things but atleast I know what I did wrong so it won't happen again. I just wanted to say thank you to Mark, Ryan and Carl for all your help - if it wasn't for this website I would be lost!<IMG style="CURSOR: pointer" &#111;nclick="AddSmileyIc&#111;n'smileys/smiley32.gif'" alt=Clap src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" border="0">]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Cleaning : Carl,   You&amp;#039;re awesome! Thanks...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8">Ryan Willden</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1965<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> March&nbsp;02&nbsp;2004 at 12:28pm<br /><br />Carl,  <img border="0" src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0"> You're awesome! Thanks for the funny response. I wanted to make sure you didn't think I was being totally serious. But it's nice to agree on something isn't it?  <img border="0" src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0">  <img border="0" src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0"> ]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2004 12:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Cleaning : Ryan W., .  I guess I misread...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=240">Carl</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1965<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> March&nbsp;02&nbsp;2004 at 9:35am<br /><br /><P>Ryan W., <IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif" border="0"><IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif" border="0"><IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif" border="0"><IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0">. </P><P>I guess I misread and I apologize for misquoting. We do agree 100%... on this! <IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0">. I guess I need to read a little slower next time.</P>]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2004 09:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Cleaning : Sorry Carl, did I mention that...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8">Ryan Willden</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1965<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> March&nbsp;02&nbsp;2004 at 8:00am<br /><br />Sorry Carl, did I mention that it was <u>ALWAYS</u> due only to poor water conditions? I <em>thought</em> I said that it was <em>usually</em> poor water conditions, but could <u>also</u> be caused by stress and that all of these things needed to be evaluated. I also mentioned Good Living conditions, which referred to a lack of stressful elements. So I guess we agree. Don't we?  <img border="0" src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0"> Maybe you should reread my post so you'll understand that we agree with each other 100%.  <img border="0" src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" border="0"> <br /><br />Incidentally, according to Mark's evaluation of the situation here, I'd wager that the problem's Geo's having are water quality related.<br /><br />At any rate, I hope you know I'm teasing Carl, but I don't think we disagree at all. I have had fish die from stress induced by other fish harassing them. In that Case, Garlic would not have solved the problem. The only solution there would have been to remove the fish to a more suitable home without harassment from conspecifics.<span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Ryan Willden</span>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Cleaning :   geofish wrote:Carl - Is no-ich...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=240">Carl</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1965<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> March&nbsp;02&nbsp;2004 at 7:28am<br /><br /><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by geofish" alt="Originally posted by geofish" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>geofish wrote:</strong><br /><br />Carl - Is no-ich reef safe? I add garlic to their food but if I have another outbreak it would be nice to know what works and what doesn't if garlic isn't strong enough at the time. Thank you for the advice!</td></tr></table></P><P>Yes, it is reef safe. I have had to use it twice and it really helped by providing an immediate reduction in the parasitic affects on the infected fish. I have seen no adverse effects on my corals.</P><P>Ryan, I completely agree that ich is directly reflective of a poor environmental condition. I disagree that it is always due to poor water parameters, but often this may be the case. Both times that my livestock's immune systems were&nbsp;lowered enough for ich to become apparent it was due to the stress of a move. Setting up a new tank or adding new fish to a system is a very traumatic experience for them and at times can&nbsp;contribute to lowered immune systems and susceptibility to ich.</P><P>Hence, I fully agree that a healthy tank is an ichless tank. But,&nbsp;just in case&nbsp;it is good to know that there is a bandaid available that can save your fish. JMO <IMG src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif" border="0"></P>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Cleaning : Mark, If I dont put an RDP on...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=315">Tresa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1965<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> March&nbsp;02&nbsp;2004 at 6:05am<br /><br /><P>Mark,</P><P>If I dont put an RDP on the 75 gallon - would it be enough to have two Emperors? On circulation in that tank - I have 2 powerheads and the soon to be (maybe) 2 filters and the skimmer - what else should I do?</P><P>On the other tank - since I cleaned out the pump - it is blowing a lot better&nbsp;and I added another powerhead - should that be okay on circulation? Down the road I will replace the pump but I am hoping it will be okay for now.</P><P>From what i understand (which isnt as much as I thought<IMG style="CURSOR: pointer" &#111;nclick="AddSmileyIc&#111;n'smileys/smiley5.gif'" alt=C&#111;nfused src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0">) all I need to do for the sump is take out all the bio-balls and&nbsp;add sand, light, etc. Is that about right? </P><P>I don't want to keep losing fish - not necessarily a money issue, more of a fish issue. I set up these tanks on the advice of someoone that I thought knew what he was doing but didnt. So <U>thank you very much</U>&nbsp;for helping me.</P>]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2004 06:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1965<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> March&nbsp;01&nbsp;2004 at 10:55pm<br /><br />Geofish, I don't want to hurt your feelings and sometimes I am wrong about some aquariums, but it does not surprise me that you had deaths in that tank. It looked to me like the conditions have been poor for some time. Your fish are living on the edge.<br /><br />The water conditions that we usually "test" are less than half of the things that must be considered in keeping the tank healthy. (Just because Bill says your water looks good, doesn't mean the tank is healthy.) The statements that Ryan made above regarding water quality are excellent but are the tip of the iceberg with regard to your big aquarium.<br /><br />One of the major situations is that your tank is way overcrowded for the limited filtration capacity you currently have. So many big fish and so little biological filtration and poor circulation. Since you have noticed improvement with the things you have changed so far, it would be good to keep going with improvements.<br /><br />I also mentioned above that the other tank, the reef tank is not going to stay looking good without some better circulation and filtration. This is serious information and I offer it with the understanding that most people want to do things their own way and in their own time frame. I suggest that you take a good look at other aquariums and compare them to yours and learn from what others do and say about aquarium keeping.<br /><br />You have made a good start. Keep on learning and developing your aquariums in order to make them long lasting healthy environments.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Cleaning : Copper is Deadly for inverts,...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=8">Ryan Willden</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1965<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> March&nbsp;01&nbsp;2004 at 4:50pm<br /><br />Copper is Deadly for inverts, but shouldn't affect fish, except those that are sensitive to it. Perhaps it was stress that did him in. Either way, it's all about providing your inhabitants with the proper environment. I think you're on your way though. Keep your chin up about the angels. I lost more fish when I started than I care to admit, but I haven't lost one in a while to a poor living environment, and it takes some practice to check water, stress levels, etc to make sure they are happy.]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2004 16:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Cleaning : Ryan,  Thanks for the advice,...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=315">Tresa</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1965<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> March&nbsp;01&nbsp;2004 at 3:43pm<br /><br /><P>Ryan, </P><P>Thanks for the advice, I am not sure if the water quality was ever that bad. The water was on the green side and had a lot of particles floating around but I don't think it was bad enough to kill the fish. They both died yesterday and I had my water tested Friday and it was fine. When I put the first Angel in my Sailfin didnt like him very much so I put the Sailfin in the other tank but maybe the damage was already done. When Mark was here my corals were acting funny but after making the changes I made after he left they have been fine and my other fish are fine - I have a Powder Blue in there and I thought they were on the picky side when it comes to water quality. Like I have said I am new at this so any information I can get is very much appreciated<IMG style="CURSOR: pointer" &#111;nclick="AddSmileyIc&#111;n'smileys/smiley9.gif'" alt=Embarrassed src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley9.gif" border="0">&nbsp;</P><P>What is your opinion on copper? I am not sure what happened so I am trying to go over everything so this doesnt happen again. </P><P>On the lighter side I also have a 75 gallon reef and my BTA split last night - my clowns are very happy they keep going back and forth<IMG style="CURSOR: pointer" &#111;nclick="AddSmileyIc&#111;n'smileys/smiley1.gif'" alt=Smile src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0"></P>]]>
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