Clam lovers beware!
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Topic: Clam lovers beware!
Posted By: Kull
Subject: Clam lovers beware!
Date Posted: November 29 2004 at 3:44pm
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One of our LFS's just got a shipment of REALLY nice ultra croatia clams, they are very blue! LIke the one in the picture, and you can't beat the price.
Also I have noticed that Clams don't do so well if you are having algae problems.
I think algae and bacteria must be the number killer of clams (ok a side from people, I agree they are super yummy!)
What have you done to keep the bad stuff away from your clams?
1. Don't add clams until tank is fully cycled.
2. Don't let stuff die (ha ha ha ha)
3. Place clams under sufficient lighting. (the bigger they get the more light they need)
4. Once the clam has set its foot leave it alone (the less stress the better!)

My old one is on the left the new one is on the right.
------------- "So this is what gives meaning to your life." -Unknown
Daniel in Santaquin
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Posted By: dmanshep
Date Posted: November 29 2004 at 3:47pm
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??????? who's the store and did you have one die or something? and how much??
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Posted By: Kull
Date Posted: November 29 2004 at 3:55pm
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Aquatica in Orem
$35 - $45
And these aren't tiny tiny ones either, they are the 2 - 4 inchers!
Nope, never had one die, but I did have a red flame die on me agian, I'm replacing him with another clam.
------------- "So this is what gives meaning to your life." -Unknown
Daniel in Santaquin
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Posted By: Suzy
Date Posted: November 29 2004 at 4:02pm
A little off topic, but have you ever heard of a clam shut on a fish
so hard it died?
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Posted By: j's55
Date Posted: November 29 2004 at 4:04pm
Wow you can not beat that price. Well you can but not
if they are as good as you say.
------------- Josh Zorn
45G reef
lots of tropical plants
Cell it 910 3924
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Posted By: DutchDude
Date Posted: November 29 2004 at 4:07pm
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No - but there is a story which I have read several times about a diver not having his buoyancy under control, landing on a giant clam and loosing his foot. Fact or fiction? Some of those giant clams are probably large enough :-)
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Posted By: j's55
Date Posted: November 29 2004 at 4:11pm
I know there huge I saw a picture of one with a scuba
diver next to it and it was like 3 feet long
------------- Josh Zorn
45G reef
lots of tropical plants
Cell it 910 3924
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Posted By: Kull
Date Posted: November 29 2004 at 5:52pm
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They look better then the clam in my picture right over there
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------------- "So this is what gives meaning to your life." -Unknown
Daniel in Santaquin
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Posted By: Kull
Date Posted: November 29 2004 at 5:53pm
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Also the wto guys that I told about this went and saw them and they both bought one.
These normally sell for $75.00! They are truely colorful clams.
I'm home now, but I'll be back up that way tomorrow.
------------- "So this is what gives meaning to your life." -Unknown
Daniel in Santaquin
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Posted By: j's55
Date Posted: November 29 2004 at 7:00pm
Posted By: ewaldsreef
Date Posted: November 30 2004 at 2:08am
Kull, You said they are "super yummy!" Thats funny because when I bought my clam I was looking at and had to run to skippers for some chowder
Seriously
Anyway thats an excellant deal. One day I will have to check out aquatica. After christmas let me know when you are going to go.
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Posted By: Jake Pehrson
Date Posted: November 30 2004 at 9:13am
Kull wrote:
3. Place clams under sufficient lighting. (the bigger they get the more light they need)
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Actually, usually the bigger the clam gets the less light they need. For 2 reasons.
#1 They have a larger mantel and can "catch" more light.
#2 As they grow bigger they become heavy plankton eaters, reducing their need for intense light.
Some of the hardest clams to keep are those little tiny guys (<3"), especially the maximas and croceas. They have not yet mastered the art of catch plankton and need a huge amount of light to survive.
------------- Jake Pehrson
Murray
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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: November 30 2004 at 9:40am
I would like to add to Kull's list.
5. Feed as much phyto as you can grow or can afford to buy.
I have clams that are building shell much faster than any I have ever seen in a home aquarium. I feed a lot more phyto than anyone I've ever known, with the exception of the two past owners/manufacturers of Velvet Green. Since I use kalkwasser only for some top-off, but have no Calcium Reactor, I attribute the shell building to the exceptional clam health resulting from phyto feeding.
And I don't believe the common opinion that large clams need less phyto but more light. I have Squamosa, Crocea and Derasa clams and even a large Spiny Oyster. They all thrive with more than the average hobbyist amounts of phyto and light.
Y'all are invited to call and visit to see my bivalve collection, including my ( ) "clam graveyard".
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Posted By: Kull
Date Posted: November 30 2004 at 10:28am
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Interesting that you should reverse what I had said about the light. I haven't seen actual scientific write ups either way I've gone off word of mouth so I readily admit that I could be wrong. Can you back yours up? I think that you at least have the expierance that you can write from
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Daniel in Santaquin
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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: November 30 2004 at 10:44am
For me, it's my own experience and things I've heard over the years. Years ago, I read Giant Clams by Daniel Knop, which we once had in the WMAS Library.
<----- over there. It perked my interest.
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Posted By: ssilcox
Date Posted: November 30 2004 at 11:05am
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Jake Pehrson wrote:
Some of the hardest clams to keep are those little tiny guys (<3"), especially the maximas and croceas. They have not yet mastered the art of catch plankton and need a huge amount of light to survive.
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I have heard the opposite. The smaller they are, the less photosynthetic algae they have to survive on, hence the need for more plankton.
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Posted By: jfinch
Date Posted: November 30 2004 at 11:10am
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Here's a brief synopsis of Daniel Knop's view regarding feeding, species by species. http://www.reefs.org/library/article/d_knop2.html - http://www.reefs.org/library/article/d_knop2.html
------------- Jon
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Posted By: Kull
Date Posted: November 30 2004 at 11:53am
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In that I have have these two species:
T. crocea has adapted to the strong illuminated environment and therefore does not take up any floating particles such as phytoplankton or others.
T. derasa is also a "clear water clam" that does not filter anything. It has, in fact very sensitive gills that tend to clog when there is a high density of floating particles in the water, may this be planctonic food or just stirred up sediments from the gravel.
According to this article I should very wary of feeding them anything.
As a matter of speaking I shouldn't even stir up anything in the tank as it will clog them up.
Nothing much worse then a constipated clam 
------------- "So this is what gives meaning to your life." -Unknown
Daniel in Santaquin
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Posted By: Jake Pehrson
Date Posted: November 30 2004 at 12:25pm
ssilcox wrote:
I have heard the opposite. The smaller they are, the less photosynthetic algae they have to survive on, hence the need for more plankton.
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I know that many people disagree with me on this one. Including Theil and others. I cannot site a reference for my above statement.
I could be wrong.
Here are my personal observations.
When clams come in small (<3-4"), the only way I have good success with them is by putting them in very high lighting (halides). If the lighting is intense they will live. If it is not most of them will die. Feeding the smaller clams does not help IME.
When I bring in larger clams 4-5"+ I can put them in a tank with VHO's and plankton and they do great (although the intense light doesn't hurt). In fact most of them will eat up the plankton almost as fast as I give it to them. The smaller clams only seem to intake a small amount of phyto (if any).
------------- Jake Pehrson
Murray
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Posted By: Suzy
Date Posted: November 30 2004 at 12:30pm
Ok, so is it the light that gives them better color or the phyto?
(My clam is not very pretty!)
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Posted By: Kull
Date Posted: November 30 2004 at 1:21pm
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What type of clam is it?
I think that with most clams the color is a genetic thing. They are either really pretty or not so pretty, you get what you get. However I think that the lighting contributes a lot to how they look. More blue seems make the shime and glow.
I know that my squamosa looks realy drab under noraml 10k light, but put it under the 20k it looks fanominal. I run a 13k hqi on one side and a 20k on the other sisde of a 36" tank. the lights mixes and most of the tank is under both the 13k and the 20k.
They all seem to be what they are. Any thoughts on this one?
------------- "So this is what gives meaning to your life." -Unknown
Daniel in Santaquin
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Posted By: Kull
Date Posted: December 01 2004 at 1:03am
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ok I'm not trying to fuel the fire any more, but
"the Crocea Clam needs bright lighting to live, grow, and keep its intense colors ... All clams also require micro foods designed for filter feeders, especially when small. Offer phytoplankton and other micro-foods." ( http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_Display.cfm?pCatId=579 - http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_Display.cfm?pCatId=5 79 December 1, 2004)
------------- "So this is what gives meaning to your life." -Unknown
Daniel in Santaquin
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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: December 02 2004 at 4:11am
Certainly a healthy clam has brighter color than when it is not healthy.
What was that statement by Borneman that Adam had as a signature line for a while. Something about if we try to get by with the minimum requirements for our aquarium inhabitants, the minimum of health is all we'll get back from them.
Kull wrote:
As a matter of speaking I shouldn't even stir up anything in the tank as it will clog them up. |
They have the ability to, and do kick out the accumulation of unwanted filtered particles. I see it regularly in my bivalves. They squeeze down/tighten up and then, with a sudden contraction, they blow out the waste.
Why not feed and light the out of them!
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Posted By: Jamison
Date Posted: February 11 2005 at 5:55pm
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I'm enjoying bring back old posts. Can anyone verify if it is true that a clam will do better once all algae "problems" are under control? I've got the halides, and my wife wants more color, but I don't want a dead clam. Thanks!
Jamison
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Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: February 11 2005 at 7:44pm
Jamison wrote:
...verify if it is true that a clam will do better once all algae "problems" are under control? |
Algae "problems" or in other words, the growth of problem algaes is an indicator of something in the tank not being quite the way it "ought" to be. Somehow, somewhere there is an overabundance of waste being produced in the aquarium which results in algae overgrowth. Determining the source of this nutrient source should occupy the hobbyists attention. Clams are major nutrient users themselves. A clam added to a tank with an abundance of algae is being placed in a very competitive environment. Acquiring food for survival is the major driving force behind everything IMO.
We need to be careful how we define problems though. There was a certain Macroalgae that a hobbyist told me was a problem. I thought it was one of the most beautiful organisms in that hobbyists tank.
It's important to get a problem under control, otherwise we are simply jeapordizing the health of any nice organism we add. Be patient and try to hold off until problems are resolved and balance is acheived.
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Posted By: Jamison
Date Posted: February 12 2005 at 2:59pm
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I'm not looking to run out and buy a clam right away. Just trying to plan things now to give me the best chance for success. Somehow I knew you would respond Mark. Thanks for always offering sound advice and putting things into the perspective of the ever-cautious reefer. I know it saves us a lot of frustrations...when we listen. 
By-the-way, I refuse to give in to beleiving that that macro-nuisance is anything more than a slow growing eye sore. We'll just have to agree to diagree on that one. I can get you a piece if you want some. Here's a pic to entice you.

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