Banggai cardinalfish spawning
Printed From: Utah Reefs
Category: Breeding
Forum Name: Livestock Breeding and Rearing
Forum Description: This is the place to discuss breeding and rearing of our tank inhabitants.
URL: http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51450
Printed Date: December 27 2024 at 2:10pm
Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 12.03 - http://www.webwizforums.com
Topic: Banggai cardinalfish spawning
Posted By: hedgefish
Subject: Banggai cardinalfish spawning
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 5:35pm
well it looks like we got a breeding pair and they did the dance and now dads not eating and mom is watching and protecting him real close,this is going to be real interesting,this is a first for us here watching,its pretty neat,i hear dad doesnt eat for quiet a while,will see,seems like his lower jaw has gotten alot bigger.will keep you informed. ------------- hedgefish |
Replies:
Posted By: BobC63
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 6:40pm
|
Click on the Seastar tab and open up April 2008.
I wrote a pretty comprehensive article on breeding these fish.
Good luck  ------------- - My Current Tank: 65g Starfire (sitting empty for 2+ years) - * Marine & Reef tanks since 1977 * |
Posted By: hedgefish
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 6:44pm
|
I will.thanks ------------- hedgefish |
Posted By: m.ash
Date Posted: September 18 2011 at 12:18am
| That is awesome!!! I tried for a while but could never get a succesful pair. Keep us posted, I'd love some captive bred ones again, especially if their from the valley already. |
Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: September 18 2011 at 1:50am
|
Bangaii I'd also check out the http://www.utahreefs.com/SeaStar/wmasSeaStar02Feb.pdf - Feb 2002 Seastar . The first time is usually a loss. Be patient. The dad will learn how to hold them full term. Caught at night, here's dad with one baby visible  The new babies  10 weeks old, nose to tail as big as a dime, cute as a button  Adult living around a Condylactis Anemone.  Mike Savage takes great photos. It's gonna be a great meeting. Wish I could be there. ------------- Reefkeeping Tips, & quick, easy setup tricks: www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244 Pay it forward - become a paid WMAS member 
|
Posted By: hedgefish
Date Posted: September 18 2011 at 7:46am
|
i tryed getting a pair for a long time,got these and luck out,will see how things go. ------------- hedgefish |
Posted By: hedgefish
Date Posted: September 18 2011 at 7:47am
|
will keep you posted ------------- hedgefish |
Posted By: hedgefish
Date Posted: September 18 2011 at 12:10pm
|
if dad doesnt eat for 2 weeks how does he get nutrients,that must be hard for him to do. ------------- hedgefish |
Posted By: BobC63
Date Posted: September 18 2011 at 1:54pm
|
The male Banggai does not eat for about 1 month
You will need to feed him well after the babies are born
And don't put him back with the female for at least 2 weeks so he can fatten up a bit ------------- - My Current Tank: 65g Starfire (sitting empty for 2+ years) - * Marine & Reef tanks since 1977 * |
Posted By: hedgefish
Date Posted: September 18 2011 at 1:56pm
|
sure but how does he survive without eating ------------- hedgefish |
Posted By: hedgefish
Date Posted: September 18 2011 at 2:19pm
heres a picture of dad,will see if he holds out from eating ------------- hedgefish |
Posted By: BobC63
Date Posted: September 18 2011 at 2:48pm
|
Trust me, he can go without food for the duration of the spawning and he will be just fine...
------------- - My Current Tank: 65g Starfire (sitting empty for 2+ years) - * Marine & Reef tanks since 1977 * |
Posted By: hedgefish
Date Posted: September 18 2011 at 2:52pm
|
thanks ------------- hedgefish |
Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: September 19 2011 at 12:48pm
|
After having kept freshwater and saltwater fish for 45 years, since I was 12, I have come to the conclusion that fish can absorb nutrients from the water. I don't know just how much of this happens but I'm fairly certain that it does. It may happen as they drink the water, or via their gills or even their skin, but it happens. I've seen many fish survive without feeding for extended periods of time. The research of biologists over the centuries has taught the world about many strange variations/adaptations in feeding among watery animals. ------------- Reefkeeping Tips, & quick, easy setup tricks: www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244 Pay it forward - become a paid WMAS member
|
Posted By: hedgefish
Date Posted: September 19 2011 at 2:10pm
|
i think this is pretty cool,watching each day he comes out for food looks at it,turns around and leaves,but mom ,she sure munches out for the two of them,boy is she ever so protective of him,she keeps other fish out of the way,she stays pretty close to him,i hope he can hold out,they say the first time he might not hold out. ------------- hedgefish |
Posted By: hedgefish
Date Posted: September 19 2011 at 9:16pm
heres another picture of mom and dad,well sort of,if he can handle it ------------- hedgefish |
Posted By: CapnMorgan
Date Posted: September 19 2011 at 9:39pm
|
As long as he is carrying eggs/fry he will not eat, so it may be necessary to separate them for a short time after the fry are collected to feed him up again. Otherwise they will sometimes go right back to spawning and he will starve to death. ------------- Steve http://utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=40637&PID=356246" rel="nofollow - My Old 180G Mixed Reef Currently: 120G Wavefront Mixed 29G Seahorse & Softies Running ReefAngel Plus x2 435-8 |
Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: September 20 2011 at 10:56am
|
My experience has been different than Steve's. I've had Bangaii spawn again and again, never removed the dad and never had any deaths due to starvation or overspawning.
------------- Reefkeeping Tips, & quick, easy setup tricks: www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244 Pay it forward - become a paid WMAS member
|
Posted By: hedgefish
Date Posted: September 20 2011 at 11:01am
|
but you do remove the babies ------------- hedgefish |
Posted By: BobC63
Date Posted: September 20 2011 at 11:37am
|
I find it easiest to remove the 'pregnant' male when it get close to the time he is going to release the babies, rather than trying to catch the babies post - birthing...
How will you know when it is getting close to the time for the male to release the babies?
1) Count the days since they "did the dance"... around 25 days out is usually close.
2) However, the best indicator is that you will actually be able to catch glimpses of the babies moving around in his mouth when it gets close to the day of release.
I used the 'instant lights on' method to catch the male... this only works if you have T5 or other flo lighting (won't work with halides)
A) when the sun goes down and it starts to get dark, make the fish tank room as dark as possible (shut the blinds, draw the curtains, turn off all room lights, nightlights, etc)
B) wait a few hours after dark, then enter the room with your aquarium net and turn on your aquarium lights.
C) The instant change from pitch black dark to bright will stun the fish and they will be temporarily blinded. Don't worry, this will not harm them.
D) Simply swoop in with your net and catch the fish. Transfer to your holding tank as quickly as you can.
Sometimes the male will spit out some of the babies, so be prepared for that... if you are quick enough usually he won't.
Usually the male releases the babies a few at a time, over the course of maybe 8 hours or overnight... once he has released them all get him out of there and preferably to his own space where he can eat well, rest up and regain his strength. I never had a male die from being returned with the female and then spawning again shortly thereafter; however, I did notice that the number of live babies went way down if the male did not get at least a few weeks time to recover.
The other key to having the babies survive is live food preparation. For Banggai babies, you will need to start them on newly - hatched Brine shrimp right after they are 'born' and they need to be fed several times a day.
Another great food is frozen Cyclopeeze. However, in my experience you need the live food first, then wean them on to frozen after a couple of weeks. I treid starting them off with frozen once and lost alot of babies to starvation the first week.
The cool thing about Banggais is that their fry are about as easy to take care of as baby guppies, once they are 'born'. Just make sure they have a safe place to grow up, and get plenty of food and generally I have found I didn't lose too many fry after birth.
------------- - My Current Tank: 65g Starfire (sitting empty for 2+ years) - * Marine & Reef tanks since 1977 * |
Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: September 20 2011 at 4:55pm
|
Excellent write up.
------------- Reefkeeping Tips, & quick, easy setup tricks: www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244 Pay it forward - become a paid WMAS member
|
Posted By: hedgefish
Date Posted: September 21 2011 at 7:59pm
|
mark you were right he gave up,so will see what happens next time ------------- hedgefish |
Posted By: backwards32
Date Posted: September 22 2011 at 2:53pm
| Keep us posted. this is really interesting |
Posted By: hedgefish
Date Posted: September 22 2011 at 3:09pm
|
i wll ------------- hedgefish |
Posted By: m.ash
Date Posted: October 03 2011 at 9:20pm
| Yes, please do, I'd really love a trio of locally hatched bangaii's. |
Posted By: hedgefish
Date Posted: October 03 2011 at 9:31pm
|
i will let you know ------------- hedgefish |
Posted By: hedgefish
Date Posted: October 11 2011 at 5:25pm
|
looks like he,s holding eggs again and not eating,will see if he holds out and goes to term ------------- hedgefish |
Posted By: ptronsp
Date Posted: November 16 2011 at 9:00pm
|
This is awesome! Any luck with raising them William? ------------- The only clowns I like are in my tank! |
Posted By: kody72
Date Posted: November 17 2011 at 10:31am
Mine has thrown a batch every month for about 6 months now. they always becomes fish food  ------------- http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=60612&title=kody72-fishroom" rel="nofollow - KODY72 FISHROOM BUILD 281g DT 187g Rimless Frag ATI PM lighting SRO DSCR-300ext 8013908179 |
Posted By: hedgefish
Date Posted: November 17 2011 at 10:36am
|
and mine,dad last about three days with the eggs in the month and ate them,hes done this three times now.
------------- hedgefish |
Posted By: ptronsp
Date Posted: November 17 2011 at 12:43pm
|
Ugh, I bet that is so frustrating for both of you! I would love to get a pair and try to raise them, they are cool little fish!
Pam ------------- The only clowns I like are in my tank! |
Posted By: hedgefish
Date Posted: November 17 2011 at 2:05pm
|
yes they are,i just wish he would hold them long enough for them to hatch ------------- hedgefish |
Posted By: BobC63
Date Posted: November 17 2011 at 2:10pm
|
Can you seperate the male and female and then feed them both heavily for maybe a month? ------------- - My Current Tank: 65g Starfire (sitting empty for 2+ years) - * Marine & Reef tanks since 1977 * |
Posted By: kody72
Date Posted: November 17 2011 at 5:27pm
|
Pam when I get my new sump ill be able catch him and separate the babies and if you want to give them a shot or if i am capable ill throw you a few to try ------------- http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=60612&title=kody72-fishroom" rel="nofollow - KODY72 FISHROOM BUILD 281g DT 187g Rimless Frag ATI PM lighting SRO DSCR-300ext 8013908179 |
Posted By: ptronsp
Date Posted: November 17 2011 at 6:01pm
|
Kody, that would be amazing! I would love too give it a shot! I would even give them back to you to sell...lol...it's all about the experience. ------------- The only clowns I like are in my tank! |
Posted By: kody72
Date Posted: November 17 2011 at 6:53pm
|
I just went home the male released the babies why was sitting in the hospital with my daughter. he always releases them when im busy little bugger. I guess I dont have to feed today ------------- http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=60612&title=kody72-fishroom" rel="nofollow - KODY72 FISHROOM BUILD 281g DT 187g Rimless Frag ATI PM lighting SRO DSCR-300ext 8013908179 |
Posted By: ptronsp
Date Posted: November 17 2011 at 9:51pm
|
Isn't that how it always is? Hope your daughter is ok!
Pam ------------- The only clowns I like are in my tank! |
Posted By: kody72
Date Posted: November 21 2011 at 12:16am
|
Well after a couple of days in the hospital with my daughter and came home my male still has a couple in his mouth I hope I can get him caught ------------- http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=60612&title=kody72-fishroom" rel="nofollow - KODY72 FISHROOM BUILD 281g DT 187g Rimless Frag ATI PM lighting SRO DSCR-300ext 8013908179 |
Posted By: ptronsp
Date Posted: November 21 2011 at 3:37pm
|
YAY! Let me know. ------------- The only clowns I like are in my tank! |
Posted By: kody72
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 3:47pm
|
I have a couple babies swimming in my rbta daddy still has a few in his mouth ------------- http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=60612&title=kody72-fishroom" rel="nofollow - KODY72 FISHROOM BUILD 281g DT 187g Rimless Frag ATI PM lighting SRO DSCR-300ext 8013908179 |
Posted By: m.ash
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 8:19pm
| Awesome! |
Posted By: ptronsp
Date Posted: December 01 2011 at 10:16pm
|
That's great~ ------------- The only clowns I like are in my tank! |
Posted By: hedgefish
Date Posted: December 16 2011 at 9:29pm
|
well this time hes been holding them for 14 days,lets hope he keeps going,cross my fingers ------------- hedgefish |
Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: December 17 2011 at 10:34pm
fingers crossed 
------------- Reefkeeping Tips, & quick, easy setup tricks: www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244 Pay it forward - become a paid WMAS member
|
Posted By: ptronsp
Date Posted: December 18 2011 at 1:33am
|
We need A fingers crossed smiley :).. * Crossed fingers* ------------- The only clowns I like are in my tank! |
Posted By: m.ash
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 8:41pm
| Is he still holding them? |
Posted By: hedgefish
Date Posted: December 20 2011 at 5:03am
|
yes he is,its got to be close,waiting to see the little eyes looking out of his mouth ------------- hedgefish |
Posted By: ptronsp
Date Posted: December 20 2011 at 1:53pm
|
Oh my! This just makes me smile :).
Pam ------------- The only clowns I like are in my tank! |
Posted By: bstuver
Date Posted: December 20 2011 at 7:08pm
|
This thread should be moved to the breeding section so others can see it as well:)
------------- Jackie Stuver "wait these aren't the happy Hawaiians oompa doompa godly heaven on your face zoas? I dont want them then. lol!" Ksmart |
Posted By: m.ash
Date Posted: December 21 2011 at 12:03am
|
So awesome! I agree that it should be moved to the breeding section for all to see. |
Posted By: ptronsp
Date Posted: December 21 2011 at 2:07pm
|
+ 1 on moving it to the breeding section!
Pam ------------- The only clowns I like are in my tank! |
Posted By: hedgefish
Date Posted: December 26 2011 at 9:09pm
well its been about 20 days and hes still holding,so i made a urchin so the babies could hide in if im not there to help. ------------- hedgefish |
Posted By: hedgefish
Date Posted: December 26 2011 at 9:12pm
hers a picture of dad,which i hope to see babies soon ------------- hedgefish |
Posted By: m.ash
Date Posted: December 26 2011 at 11:36pm
| Very cool! Glad to hear He's still holding them. |
Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: December 27 2011 at 4:46am
Three weeks is it. You should be seeing baby fish inside whenever dad opens his mouth to do the yawn/rearrange thing. Hmmm, that pic does not look like dad has a mouth packed full of full term babies. His gills are too flat. When the mouth is full of babies, the gills stay partly open. Are you sure they are there? Can't you already see tails? I hope I'm wrong about that.  Have I told you here or have you read how to catch dad at night and help him release the babies before he let's them go and before they become fish food? I would highly recommend that procedure about now. ------------- Reefkeeping Tips, & quick, easy setup tricks: www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244 Pay it forward - become a paid WMAS member
|
hedgefish wrote:Posted By: hedgefish
Date Posted: December 27 2011 at 5:03am
|
his gills are speading apart and yes it like little black things at the egde of his mouth,not a very good picture,will take a front view today ------------- hedgefish |
Posted By: Will Spencer
Date Posted: December 27 2011 at 10:32am
|
Moved to Breeding Forums as requested. I hope to soon see pictures of little baby Bangaii's in your homemade urchin. That would be cool. |
Posted By: hedgefish
Date Posted: December 29 2011 at 5:11am
heres a better picture of dad,i keep looking every morning to see if babies are in the urchin. ------------- hedgefish |
Posted By: ptronsp
Date Posted: December 29 2011 at 2:23pm
|
Waiting for it.. waiting for it... lol. I love the make shift urchin. Hopefully they go right to it! Pam ------------- The only clowns I like are in my tank! |
Posted By: hedgefish
Date Posted: December 29 2011 at 7:32pm
yes it the waiting,when he opens his mouth you little black ones inside,he may not have to many this time around,but its a start,i hope the urchin works,try to catch him at night with flash light to many holes and crannies in the live rock to catch him. will let you know. ------------- hedgefish |
Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: December 29 2011 at 8:15pm
|
You CAN catch him at night, but not with a flashlight. Let me see if I can find where I've written this before... Yes, here it is. I need to add this to the Reefkeeping Tips. It comes up often enough. http://utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=29554" rel="nofollow - http://utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=29554 btw, Bangaii are nocturnal. They cruise the tank all night. Observe them ahead of time in the dim light of a small weak flashlight or dimly lit room. You will see where dad spends his time and can prepare for the catch. ------------- Reefkeeping Tips, & quick, easy setup tricks: www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244 Pay it forward - become a paid WMAS member
|
Posted By: Mark Peterson
Date Posted: December 29 2011 at 8:51pm
|
Just my old man opinion, but if you wait any longer you will miss the 10-15 babies there are and they will just become lunch. If it was me, I'd try to catch him tonight. You have a second chance tomorrow morning before first light. The babies will not hang in the toothpick urchin waiting for you to save them. (It's white, it's strange material and not dense enough.) ------------- Reefkeeping Tips, & quick, easy setup tricks: www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9244 Pay it forward - become a paid WMAS member
|
Posted By: hedgefish
Date Posted: February 04 2012 at 11:23am
|
well just to keep in touch,got two babies from last batch and dad is going on 18 days of not eating.getting close for him. will be watching . ------------- hedgefish |