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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5988">jungleboy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 83286<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October&nbsp;08&nbsp;2017 at 1:08pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Mark Peterson" alt="Originally posted by Mark Peterson" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Mark Peterson wrote:</strong><br /><br />Thank you for your reply and for the new information.&nbsp;<div>Below is some info for your learning and benefit.<div><br></div><div>Lighting is complicated. Knowing that the coral was previously illuminated by an AI Prime fixture is only marginally helpful, unless we also know the following about that light:</div><div><br></div><div>- distance of the light fixture to the water surface</div><div><br></div><div><font color="#0000ff">The light is 7 inches from the waters surface</font></div><div>- average intensity</div><div>- distance of the coral to the water surface</div><div><br></div><div><font color="#0000ff">The bottom torch is 15 inches from the light.&nbsp;</font></div><div><font color="#0000ff">Top hammers are 1-3 inches from the waters surface</font></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><br></font></div><div><div>- Intensity of the 7 individual colors</div><div>- Light duration or photoperiod</div></div><div><br></div><div><font color="#0000ff">Here is a link to the file that I downloaded from my ai prime.&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="http://https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8A2WfEaMuNtV3k4UWRLSjNKRmo2RDV0TlNDS1ByajQ2dHJr/view?usp=sharing" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8A2WfEaMuNtV3k4UWRLSjNKRmo2RDV0TlNDS1ByajQ2dHJr/view?usp=sharing</a></font></div><div><br></div><div><font color="#0000ff">Note: I have the blues up at the end of the day for my personal viewing enjoyment because that's when I get home. I don't know if that is bad. but that is what I had it set up as.</font></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><br></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff">I didn't realize how intricate lightiing was. So any suggestions are welcome!</font></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><br></font></div><div>You will notice that the latter three of those five items have not yet been covered in our discussion. That's because when you showed us the situation these coral had been placed into, I felt the need to act quickly and keep my advice basic. In other words, for the emergency rescue of your coral, I felt it best to reduce light intensity ASAP. Unfortunately, the "sunburn" damage is done, coral may continue to die, but others will slowly recover over the next 1-2 months. Sorry for your loss.&nbsp;</div></div><div><br></div><div>How did Ca jump from 275 ppm to 500 ppm? Was it a misreading or over dosing?</div><div><br></div><div><font color="#0000ff">I havent been dosing anything, so it cant be that. I have no idea what could have caused it.</font></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><br></font></div><div>The Reef Crystals salt mix is probably not the best one to use right now. Regular IO salt would be a better choice because it has normal amounts of Alk, Ca and Mg. Because the stony coral are struggling right now, they are not using the extra Alk, etc. contained in Reef Crystals.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm not sure if I mentioned it in this thread but I learned my lesson the hard way, about fatally sunburning coral. In 2013 I set up Marksreef Coral Farm. It was a series of connected tanks illuminated by the sun through a south facing picture window. Inexperienced with greenhouses, I did something idiotic. I had been growing coral for profit since 1996. I had set many tanks in or close to windows in the past, but never something this intense.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>In this new location, twice a year, for about 6 weeks in Spring and again in Fall, the position of the sun in the sky was such that most of the coral in the system were bathed in direct sunlight for about 9 hours a day. It was beautiful. It was like being at the ocean. I thought I was in heaven.&nbsp;<img src="http://utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" alt="C&#111;nfused" title="C&#111;nfused" /></div><div><br></div><div>My idiotic mistake was not recognizing how water absorbs light. Except for SPS in the surf zone, coral in the ocean are receiving sunlight that passes through 10-30+ feet of water (see pics below). In the major coral growing areas of this ~300 gal coral farm, twice each year direct sunlight passed through only a foot of water before it impacted the coral. Coral started dying, melting away as a brown goo. I knew something was wrong but I didn't know what. Everything I could come up with was done to mitigate the death and destruction <img src="http://utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif" border="0" alt="Dead" title="Dead" />. Nothing really helped. It just seemed to have to take it's course and eventually it did recover.</div><div><br></div><div>I distinctly remember a visitor who came by and then quickly left, commenting that all my coral were brown and ugly. I racked my brain for answers. I did everything I could come up with. It took a couple months, but the few surviving coral would slowly recover. This coral destruction occurred Fall 2013 and Spring 2014, but I hadn't yet made the connection.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>In the Fall of 2014 my wife and I went on a driving vacation to New York. On our trip we stopped at <a href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Tropicorium-Inc-Reef-Farm/198717723552582" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Tropicorium in Michigan</a> and <a href="http://www.tidalgardens.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Tidal Gardens in Ohio</a>&nbsp;It was awesome to meet and talk with other experienced coral growers. **** Perrin, a pioneer of coral propagation had been running Tropicorium for ~30 years. At both facilities, I noticed the greenhouses were covered with several layers of shade cloth. I was told that the shade cloth was to keep bright sun from making the greenhouses too hot and that coral grew fine in this shade. Tidal Gardens actually supplemented with artificial lighting over most tanks. I thought that I was so dang smart. My farm was indoors where air conditioning kept the tanks cool and artificial illumination was unnecessary.&nbsp;<img src="http://utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley14.gif" border="0" alt="Approve" title="Approve" /></div><div><br></div><div>Upon returning home I found that my coral farm was going through it's third "season of death". <i>I immediately made the connection and dropped the window blinds.</i> Again the last of the surviving coral slowly recovered. Eventually, I learned to adjust the blinds so that only narrow 1/2" lines of sunlight came in between each 3" slat.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Altogether, I lost around $2,000 worth of coral and over $10,000 in subsequent coral sales. Looking back on it, the worst thing is how I had to endure killing so many coral.&nbsp;<img src="http://utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif" border="0" alt="Cry" title="Cry" /></div><div><br></div><div>I hope those reading this find my experience interesting and helpful.</div><div><br></div><div>Aloha</div><div>Mark&nbsp;&nbsp;<img src="http://utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley31.gif" border="0" alt="Hug" title="Hug" /></div></td></tr></table>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 83286<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October&nbsp;08&nbsp;2017 at 11:49am<br /><br /><div>My thanks to the famous explorer Jacques Yves Cousteau for these images, copied from one of his books, circa 1970. I have posted these countless times here on this forum since 2002, hoping they will help my fellow hobbyists. Aloha, Mark&nbsp;&nbsp;<img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley31.gif" border="0" alt="Hug" title="Hug" /></div><div><br></div><div><img src="uploads/4/depth0surf.jpg" height="395" width="640" border="0" /><br></div><div><br></div><div><img src="uploads/4/depth15.jpg" height="402" width="640" border="0" /><br></div><div><br></div><div><img src="uploads/4/depth30.jpg" height="392" width="640" border="0" /><br></div><div><br></div><div><img src="uploads/4/depth60.jpg" height="404" width="640" border="0" /><br></div><div><br></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 83286<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October&nbsp;08&nbsp;2017 at 11:34am<br /><br />Thank you for your reply and for the new information.&nbsp;<div>Below is some info for your learning and benefit.<div><br></div><div>Lighting is complicated. Knowing that the coral was previously illuminated by an AI Prime fixture is only marginally helpful, unless we also know the following about that light:</div><div><br></div><div>- distance of the light fixture to the water surface</div><div>- average intensity</div><div>- distance of the coral to the water surface</div><div><div>- Intensity of the 7 individual colors</div><div>- Light duration or photoperiod</div></div><div><br></div><div>You will notice that the latter three of those five items have not yet been covered in our discussion. That's because when you showed us the situation these coral had been placed into, I felt the need to act quickly and keep my advice basic. In other words, for the emergency rescue of your coral, I felt it best to reduce light intensity ASAP. Unfortunately, the "sunburn" damage is done, coral may continue to die, but others will slowly recover over the next 1-2 months. Sorry for your loss.&nbsp;</div></div><div><br></div><div>How did Ca jump from 275 ppm to 500 ppm? Was it a misreading or over dosing?</div><div><br></div><div>The Reef Crystals salt mix is probably not the best one to use right now. Regular IO salt would be a better choice because it has normal amounts of Alk, Ca and Mg. Because the stony coral are struggling right now, they are not using the extra Alk, etc. contained in Reef Crystals.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm not sure if I mentioned it in this thread but I learned my lesson the hard way, about fatally sunburning coral. In 2013 I set up Marksreef Coral Farm. It was a series of connected tanks illuminated by the sun through a south facing picture window. Inexperienced with greenhouses, I did something idiotic. I had been growing coral for profit since 1996. I had set many tanks in or close to windows in the past, but never something this intense.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>In this new location, twice a year, for about 6 weeks in Spring and again in Fall, the position of the sun in the sky was such that most of the coral in the system were bathed in direct sunlight for about 9 hours a day. It was beautiful. It was like being at the ocean. I thought I was in heaven.&nbsp;<img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" alt="C&#111;nfused" title="C&#111;nfused" /></div><div><br></div><div>My idiotic mistake was not recognizing how water absorbs light. Except for SPS in the surf zone, coral in the ocean are receiving sunlight that passes through 10-30+ feet of water (see pics below). In the major coral growing areas of this ~300 gal coral farm, twice each year direct sunlight passed through only a foot of water before it impacted the coral. Coral started dying, melting away as a brown goo. I knew something was wrong but I didn't know what. Everything I could come up with was done to mitigate the death and destruction <img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley11.gif" border="0" alt="Dead" title="Dead" />. Nothing really helped. It just seemed to have to take it's course and eventually it did recover.</div><div><br></div><div>I distinctly remember a visitor who came by and then quickly left, commenting that all my coral were brown and ugly. I racked my brain for answers. I did everything I could come up with. It took a couple months, but the few surviving coral would slowly recover. This coral destruction occurred Fall 2013 and Spring 2014, but I hadn't yet made the connection.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>In the Fall of 2014 my wife and I went on a driving vacation to New York. On our trip we stopped at <a href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Tropicorium-Inc-Reef-Farm/198717723552582" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Tropicorium in Michigan</a> and <a href="http://www.tidalgardens.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Tidal Gardens in Ohio</a>&nbsp;It was awesome to meet and talk with other experienced coral growers. **** Perrin, a pioneer of coral propagation had been running Tropicorium for ~30 years. At both facilities, I noticed the greenhouses were covered with several layers of shade cloth. I was told that the shade cloth was to keep bright sun from making the greenhouses too hot and that coral grew fine in this shade. Tidal Gardens actually supplemented with artificial lighting over most tanks. I thought that I was so dang smart. My farm was indoors where air conditioning kept the tanks cool and artificial illumination was unnecessary.&nbsp;<img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley14.gif" border="0" alt="Approve" title="Approve" /></div><div><br></div><div>Upon returning home I found that my coral farm was going through it's third "season of death". <i>I immediately made the connection and dropped the window blinds.</i> Again the last of the surviving coral slowly recovered. Eventually, I learned to adjust the blinds so that only narrow 1/2" lines of sunlight came in between each 3" slat.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Altogether, I lost around $2,000 worth of coral and over $10,000 in subsequent coral sales. Looking back on it, the worst thing is how I had to endure killing so many coral.&nbsp;<img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley19.gif" border="0" alt="Cry" title="Cry" /></div><div><br></div><div>I hope those reading this find my experience interesting and helpful.</div><div><br></div><div>Aloha</div><div>Mark&nbsp;&nbsp;<img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley31.gif" border="0" alt="Hug" title="Hug" /></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5988">jungleboy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 83286<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October&nbsp;07&nbsp;2017 at 12:15pm<br /><br />Note: the first torch that dies was originally under ai primes.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Light is down to only 20% at peak of the day around 1 pm.</div><div><br></div><div>I just tested and retested all of my parameters and they are as follows. I dont know why my ca, kh, and mg are so high all of a sudden. the only thing i can think of is the water change i did. I have not dosed anything for a while.</div><div><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="625" style="border-collapse:   collapse;width:470pt"> <colgroup><col width="63" style="mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:2247;width:47pt"> <col width="82" style="mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:2929;width:62pt"> <col width="86" style="mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:3072;width:65pt"> <col width="64" span="3" style="width:48pt"> <col width="74" style="mso-width-source:userset;mso-width-alt:2645;width:56pt"> <col width="64" span="2" style="width:48pt"> </colgroup><t><tr height="19" style="height:14.4pt">  <td height="19" width="63" style="height:14.4pt;width:47pt">Ammonia</td>  <td width="82" style="width:62pt">Nitrite (NO2)</td>  <td width="86" style="width:65pt">Nitrate (NO3 )</td>  <td width="64" style="width:48pt">Ph</td>  <td width="64" style="width:48pt">Kh</td>  <td width="64" style="width:48pt">Calcium</td>  <td width="74" style="width:56pt">Magnesuim</td>  <td width="64" style="width:48pt">Salinity&nbsp;</td>  <td width="64" style="width:48pt">Temp</td> </tr> <tr height="19" style="height:14.4pt">  <td height="19" align="right" style="height:14.4pt"><br></td>  <td align="right"><br></td>  <td align="right"><br></td>  <td align="right"><br></td>  <td align="right"><br></td>  <td align="right"><br></td>  <td align="right"><br></td>  <td align="right"><br></td>  <td align="right"><br></td> </tr> <tr height="19" style="height:14.4pt">  <td height="19" align="right" style="height:14.4pt">0</td>  <td align="right">0</td>  <td align="right">0</td>  <td align="right">8</td>  <td align="right">11</td>  <td align="right">500</td>  <td align="right">1500</td>  <td align="right">35</td>  <td align="right">78</td> </tr></t></table><br></div><div>I have added activated carbon to the tank as well.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 83286<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October&nbsp;07&nbsp;2017 at 9:43am<br /><br />So I have turned my light intensity down by 10 percent. <b><font color="#0000ff">That's not enough. I would cut it by half just to be sure. It can't hurt anything to do that. It will take a month or more for burned coral to recover. In that time, they will continue to die.</font><br></b><br>I don’t think the softies are causing it because the first death I had was a torch that was all by itself on a frag rack. Nothing was even close to touching it.<br>Also define close. Because my tank is small so everything is close.&nbsp;<div><font color="#0000ff"><b>I am going to assume that you don't know that because you have probably never seen the effects of coral toxins in a closed environment. Even in a 300 gallon tank, everything is close. How long have you been in this hobby? How many tanks have you done?</b></font><br><br>I don’t know why but it seems like everyone is discounting the fact that this is brown jelly disease. Why is that? Because it matches every sign I have read online. These corals literally go from being perfectly fine and haveing great PE to dead overnight. Iodine, not hydrogen peroxide, nor fw dips change it at all. <br>I am almost 100% certain that this is BJD and really want to know how to kill the microbe. After the microbe is dead I can get my tank in balance. But until it is dead my corals are still super susceptible.</div><div><font color="#0000ff"><b>Again, you don't know that. We don't know that. The pics you have posted are not convincing to me, and I've seen a lot of disease and dying coral. We can only guess. What we do know is what we have already suggested. It's your choice whether or not to take our advice.</b></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><b><br></b></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><b>Aloha</b></font></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 83286<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October&nbsp;07&nbsp;2017 at 9:31am<br /><br /><div>Anything that will "cure" this supposed pathogen issue, cannot be administered to the entire tank. If a medicinal cure can be found, when the coral are returned to the tank, I believe that if the issues we have identified above are not corrected, the coral will again become compromised and contract the "disease". Unfortunately, sometimes the only thing even the best hobbyists can do is remove the dying animals, correct the environmental issues and wait patiently for a while before trying again.</div><div><br></div><div>When I first entered this hobby we were sadly accustomed to losing as many as half our fish purchases to Ich and its secondary diseases within the first few weeks. One of the early remedies to come on the scene was that suggested by our first guest speaker in 1996, Albert Theil - hot sauce. Yes, he suggested that dosing the tank with Tabasco sauce would stop Ich, so I tried it. Yes, it stopped Ich but it badly irritated and even killed a couple other organisms. Soon, the hot sauce naturally decomposed by bacterial action. The Ich Parasite was only suppressed, it then resumed compromising and killing the remainder of the fish.</div><div><br></div><div>I wish you all the best in your search to find the cure for your tank.</div><div><br></div><div>Aloha,</div><div>Mark&nbsp;&nbsp;<img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley31.gif" border="0" alt="Hug" title="Hug" /></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5988">jungleboy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 83286<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October&nbsp;07&nbsp;2017 at 9:16am<br /><br />So I have turned my light intensity down by 10 percent. <br /><br />I don’t think the softies are causing it because the first death I had was a torch that was all by itself on a frag rack. Nothing was even close to touching it. <br /><br />Also define close. Because my tank is small so everything is close. <br /><br />I don’t know why but it seems like everyone is discounting the fact that this is brown jelly disease. Why is that? Because it matches every sign I have read online. These corals literally go from being perfectly fine and haveing great PE to dead overnight. Iodine, not hydrogen peroxide, nor fw dips change it at all. <br />I am almost 100% certain that this is BJD and really want to know how to kill the microbe. After the microbe is dead I can get my tank in balance. But until it is dead my corals are still super susceptible. ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3403">phys</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 83286<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October&nbsp;07&nbsp;2017 at 12:07am<br /><br />I think the issue is coming from having your torches and euphyllia way too close to all those softies. Those can produce some crazy nasty stuff and literally murder other corals in pretty much the way it looks like it's dying. The brown jelly could be some microbs just munching on the dying coral, as was suggested in the link I provided. If you haven't seen it on all of them, it could just mean some were initially healthier than others or had some resistance to it. I think this may be a case of too much in too little with too different. Moving the euphyllia away from the mushrooms and gsp may help but you'll also want to run carbon to help remove the stuff they're throwing out that could be causing the deaths. On top of all that, your light may be too close or too white for the euphyllia to do well under. I've noticed some that I've had that haven't been too happy until I turned down the whites and brightness in my tank.&nbsp;]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[HELP! Brown Jelly Disease : No i definately have brown jelly...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5988">jungleboy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 83286<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October&nbsp;06&nbsp;2017 at 1:43pm<br /><br />No i definately have brown jelly disease. The torch yesterday had goop out of its mouth. but the pic i just uploaded is the pic i took of the last meltdown. So i definately have a pathogen.<div><br></div><div>I am currently using a mix of the two salts. IO Reef crystals and IO (orange).</div><div><br></div><div>Yes i moved twice. And the sand wasnt rinsed. However i i have vaccumed it thouroughly&nbsp;a few times.</div><div><br></div><div>So the lighting may be a problem, but the main problem is the pathogen i have.</div><div><br></div><div>I need something to get rid of the pathogen <u>ASAP&nbsp;</u>&nbsp;because like i said i have lots 10+ heads and i cant lose anymore.&nbsp;</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5988">jungleboy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 83286<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> October&nbsp;06&nbsp;2017 at 1:34pm<br /><br /><img src="uploads/5988/FC7B1490-45E2-4155-93A3-D9E61F6B22C8.jpeg" border="0" />]]>
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