WMAS Discussion Forum : Water Issues http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Fri, 10 Jul 2026 10:01:01 +0000 Wed, 24 Sep 2003 08:17:07 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.03 360 www.utahreefs.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=763 <![CDATA[WMAS Discussion Forum]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/1by1.gif http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/ <![CDATA[Water Issues : delete?Edited by Travis ]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=763&PID=8507&title=water-issues#8507 Author: Travis
Subject: 763
Posted: September 24 2003 at 8:17am

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Edited by Travis]]> Wed, 24 Sep 2003 08:17:07 +0000 http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=763&PID=8507&title=water-issues#8507 <![CDATA[Water Issues : I&#039;m new around here so I...]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=763&PID=8444&title=water-issues#8444 Author: Travis
Subject: 763
Posted: September 23 2003 at 11:51am

I'm new around here so I wont get to carried away but I wouldn't give up my Typhoon III RO/DI unit for nothing...]]> Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:51:11 +0000 http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=763&PID=8444&title=water-issues#8444 <![CDATA[Water Issues : You should be able to find a local...]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=763&PID=7909&title=water-issues#7909 Author: Mark Peterson
Subject: 763
Posted: September 10 2003 at 11:51pm

You should be able to find a local water conditioning/ water softener company that will sell you the parts that fit together. It's only P-B-M that uses 3/4 inch fittings. The store you find will probably use 3/8 inch fittings. Just let them know what size tubing you want to use and they (or you) can make it work with bushings if necessary. Be sure to use teflon tape on the threads. (Tell me if you haven't used tape before.)

Regarding the LFS and their algae problem, Ron Shimek wisely said "It's not that we have too much algae, just too little algae control. See my article in the June 2001 Sea Star (blue button to the left on this screen) titled "Herbivores vs. Carnivores".
An algae problem can start in response to many things, including fish death. I will not believe that a LFS could isolate the cause of their tank's algae problem to where they could blame the water!!!
An observant hobbyist will spot a change in the tank or an increase of algae and take measures to control it before it gets out of hand.

My own experience with out of control algae taught me some valuable lessons that I try to pass on in an article I can email to anyone that requests it. A nicely illustrated very brief version appears at this link green haired mermaid. Email me at the address below for the full version which includes tips and updates.
If you haven't been to the main pages of the www.garf.org website, you won't want to miss it.

Mark   mrpslc@mstar.net

Edited by Mark Peterson]]> Wed, 10 Sep 2003 23:51:01 +0000 http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=763&PID=7909&title=water-issues#7909 <![CDATA[Water Issues : Mark, do you have the 3/4 thread...]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=763&PID=7902&title=water-issues#7902 Author: Guests
Subject: 763
Posted: September 10 2003 at 5:27pm

Mark,

  do you have the 3/4 thread on that unit?  does Pacific Water have a web site?  I am looking to make a system.  I have a RO/DI 100 gal  membrane but am tired of all the waste water.  I want to try out the kold-steril on my 55 FOWLR before I try it on my 125 reef.  The LFS thinks im nuts for wanting to try kold steril.  he says that he used it and had a algea outbreak in his tanks.  He is using ro/di now.  I can get the media at reef splendor they are a local online dealer in NY.   Thanks again for the info.

]]> Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:27:38 +0000 http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=763&PID=7902&title=water-issues#7902 <![CDATA[Water Issues : Hey Mark, I&#039;ll take you up...]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=763&PID=7873&title=water-issues#7873 Author: mdawson8931
Subject: 763
Posted: September 09 2003 at 10:59am

Hey Mark, I'll take you up on the branching gorgonia.]]> Tue, 09 Sep 2003 10:59:39 +0000 http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=763&PID=7873&title=water-issues#7873 <![CDATA[Water Issues : I haven&#039;t jumped into this...]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=763&PID=7870&title=water-issues#7870 Author: Adam Blundell
Subject: 763
Posted: September 09 2003 at 10:36am

I haven't jumped into this discussion yet, but here goes. 

I'm really skeptical on PBM.  Their claims don't hold water to me.  We discussed this with a few other people (Julian Sprung and Ron Shimek) and both they and I can not understand how PBM is able to remove certain metals, but not all with that system.  Some argue that PBM filters are not any better than the Britta filter I have sitting on my kitchen counter. 

However.... as Mark makes so very clear..... who cares?  Some of the best tanks around are running off of tap water.  So maybe what it does filter is good enough.  I don't really have any personal opinions on this subject, I just want everyone to know that there is a wide spectrum of opinions out there on how well water purifiers work, and how important that is.

Adam

]]> Tue, 09 Sep 2003 10:36:29 +0000 http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=763&PID=7870&title=water-issues#7870 <![CDATA[Water Issues : My direct experience with Poly-Bio-Marine...]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=763&PID=7864&title=water-issues#7864 Author: Mark Peterson
Subject: 763
Posted: September 09 2003 at 12:05am

My direct experience with Poly-Bio-Marine people was also questionable, yet when I look at the Bangerter tank, running for three years now, I say "Why not?"
Another thing P-B-M said was not to run the activated alumina full time but, originally their suggested product application was to continuously filter the tank water like an external filter on a closed loop system. Of course you wouldn't run the activated alumina in the closed loop for the entire 5000 gallons! But for filtering source water to produce usable makeup water and for water changes, it appears to work just fine.

Here is a pic of the Bangerter tank taken last week. The only thing they do is feed daily and change water every two to three months. They have B-ionic but don't bother with it. No additives are used, yet I have to frag every 6 months or so to keep the coral managable. In fact, it's time to frag again! Anyone want some of that branching gorgonia?
I'm sold on Kold-Steril.
Of course, don't forget that I'm the wacko that makes a tank look good with the tapwater Jon Finch calls liquid rock!
]]> Tue, 09 Sep 2003 00:05:09 +0000 http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=763&PID=7864&title=water-issues#7864 <![CDATA[Water Issues : I don&#039;t really understand...]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=763&PID=7856&title=water-issues#7856 Author: jfinch
Subject: 763
Posted: September 08 2003 at 12:17pm

I don't really understand exactly how the kold-sterile unit works. Particularly the poly-filter portion. I am usually skeptical of what I don't understand. Their web site does nothing to help me better understand and is littered with half truths or exagerations. Here's a small list of statements from their web site that I have a hard time believing.

Drinking low hardness water is not healthy.

I don't buy that.

Ultra pure water is the perfect solvent. Presently many reef tank owners use R/O [nanofiltration], Ion-exchange resins and combination sof R/O + mixed bed resins or split bed resins + mixed bed resins producing high quality water [conductivity: 1.0µ/S-0.243µ/S] which requires the addition of buffers and minerals supplements before it can be used during replacement water changes.

You don't need to do or add anything to RO/DI water for top-off or water changes.

Finally, the addition of the Kold Ster-il's three filter media to any other filter canisters ---- is a waste of time and money. Our Patented filter media will not function in any other canister system ---- without the Patented (Filter Media) Retainer Assemblies.

Mark, I guess what you did is a waste of money .

Below 7.0 pH mainly ammonium ions (NH4+) are produced which are nontoxic and nonsorbable by Poly-Filter®.

Perhaps ammonium is less toxic then ammonia (I think the jury is still out). But to call ammonium nontoxic is silly... It will kill fish.

I understand RO and DI. I feel comfortable using it. I would probably not change, based on Kold-Sterile's web page. ymmv.]]> Mon, 08 Sep 2003 12:17:49 +0000 http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=763&PID=7856&title=water-issues#7856 <![CDATA[Water Issues : Reading backwards on this thread,...]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=763&PID=7853&title=water-issues#7853 Author: Mark Peterson
Subject: 763
Posted: September 08 2003 at 10:55am

Reading backwards on this thread, I see where keodog asked me a question that I never saw. Yes it would be easy to use the 3 stage unit with kold-steril media. Cost: only the media at aprox $45

To answer seaham358's question: The canisters are the normal size used in R.O filters. I got all the parts except filtration media and tubing from a water conditioning store called Pacific Water. They are on the road just north of R.C Willey's main store.
I have free activated alumina (for phosphate and silicate removal) and can show you how to make a holder for the cup that comes with the basic media, which is best purchased online from a fish supply place. I did a search to find a source rather than have to explain everything to the Kold-Steril folks. They didn't want to sell their media to a DIYer!
Total cost: approx $125, no wasted water and as much Calcium and Magnesium as is in the tap water (which is quite a lot in NSL according to Jon Finch. I liked what he said at the meeting, that the water is like "liquid rock"!

Edited by Mark Peterson]]> Mon, 08 Sep 2003 10:55:40 +0000 http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=763&PID=7853&title=water-issues#7853 <![CDATA[Water Issues : Mark, Where didyou pick up the...]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=763&PID=7831&title=water-issues#7831 Author: Guests
Subject: 763
Posted: September 07 2003 at 10:26am

Mark,

 Where did you pick up the parts to make a kold-steril unit?  And what size housings are you using?  Thanks..... Bob

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