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   <title><![CDATA[Copperband not doing well :  So, in short, 3 things you would...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=5316">Upload2</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 72790<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September&nbsp;06&nbsp;2014 at 10:29pm<br /><br />So, in short, 3 things you would need to change in order to try another Copperband =<div>&nbsp;</div><div>1) Double the amount of Live rock you currently have. Look for large, porous - looking pieces with good algal and sponge growth on it. Finding established Live rock on the Message Board is a good way to get some well - established rock for cheap</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>2) Remove the Yellow Coris for sure, and probably the Yellow Tang as well</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>3) Feed the next CBB worms as well as brine and Mysis; bloodworms, glass worms and live tubifex and I'd try those 'probiotic' live blackworms that Benepets carries</div>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Copperband not doing well :  Thanks for the tank shot, it...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1638">BobC63</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 72790<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September&nbsp;06&nbsp;2014 at 9:41pm<br /><br />Thanks for the tank shot, it really helps. Here is what I see -<div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;<img src="http://utahreefs.com/forum/uploads/5316/tank2.png" height="373" width="500" border="0" /></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>You don't have enough live rock. Not sure where you got the "100 lbs" figure from, let me explain...</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>This is MY 90 gallon reef tank. So, same size tank. My tank has 75 lbs of Live Rock in it:</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div><img src="uploads/5316/DSC08535.JPG" height="280" width="500" border="0" /></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>I think you will agree that my 75 lbs sure looks like substantially more rock than your 100 lbs...</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>A CBB needs an environment with a lot of Live Rock to forage in. These fish use their long noses to pull worms, amphipods and other small creatures out of the rock.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>I also don't know if your rock is 'old' enough for a CBB yet. Does your rock look like this, close up?</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div><img src="uploads/5316/DSC08525.JPG" height="280" width="500" border="0" /></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div><img src="uploads/5316/DSC08526.JPG" height="280" width="500" border="0" /></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Lots of little nooks and crannies; filled with little holes and algae spots, sponge growth, etc... </div><div>This is the proper environment on which to provide adequate worm and amphipod populations on which the CBB can feed. My tank has been up for 15 months; however, some of this rock is significantly older than that, as it came from my previous setup which ran for 3 years...</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>And, even though I have what appears to be a good environment for a Copperband, I don't have one.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>That's because of the 3rd thing you need to have in order to successfully keep this fish: the right tankmates</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>I have several other fish (wrasses) who keep the pod and worm population too low to sustain a CBB.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>In your case, the Yellow Coris and (to a lesser extent) the Yellow Tang are not compatible with the CBB. The Coris will eat up pods and worms needed for the Copperband; the Tang will clean out many of the algae-laden worm&nbsp;breeding holes and thus limit food availability for the CBB in that way.</div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>&nbsp;</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Upload2 - September&nbsp;06&nbsp;2014 at 10:23pm</span>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2014 21:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Copperband not doing well : Thanks for the pic.A few cloning...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 72790<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September&nbsp;06&nbsp;2014 at 7:41pm<br /><br />Thanks for the pic.&nbsp;<div>A few cloning RBTA's I see.<img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif" border="0" alt="Thumbs Up" title="Thumbs Up" /><div>My opinion, from looking at the pic, is that the CBB had almost no live stuff to eat. Sorry&nbsp;<img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley6.gif" border="0" alt="Unhappy" title="Unhappy" /></div><div><br></div><div>What seems to happen is that Butterflyfish can survive only so long on supplemental frozen and prepared foods, until they eventually succumb to malnutrition. They need live polyps of all sorts like stony coral and Aiptasia. Tube worms are also part of their diet.&nbsp;<span style="line-height: 1.4;">For what it's worth, see the pics below for a better understanding.</span></div></div><div><br></div><div>Aloha &nbsp;<img src="http://utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley31.gif" border="0" alt="Hug" title="Hug" /></div><div><br></div><div>This is just under the water surface in a small (~3'x3') Hawaii tide pool where their preferred food flourished because it was a Refugium where Butterflyfish and Moorish Idols (and Tangs) co<span style="line-height: 1.4;">u</span><span style="line-height: 1.4;">ld not reach.</span></div><div><img src="uploads/4/1002_072a.jpg" height="524" width="700" border="0" /><br></div><div><br></div><div>This very healthy CBB lived for years in a WMAS hobbyists tank where the sand (last pic) had 1000's of reproducing tube worms.&nbsp;</div><div><img src="uploads/4/FSpackman_14aa.jpg" height="593" width="554" border="0" /><br></div><div><br></div><div>In the original pic it was hard to see, but a picture editing program sharpened the image so the tiny black tubes can be seen sticking out of the sand.&nbsp;</div><div><img src="uploads/4/FSpackman_06aa.jpg" height="231" width="500" border="0" /><br></div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2014 19:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Copperband not doing well : Here&amp;#039;s a full tank shot ]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4008">Dan9554880</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 72790<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September&nbsp;06&nbsp;2014 at 3:35pm<br /><br />Here's a full tank shot <br /><br /><img src="http://i60.tinypic.com/dgsyu9.jpg" border="0" />]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Copperband not doing well : Sorry.  That&amp;#039;s hard to lose...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3761">Fatman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 72790<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September&nbsp;05&nbsp;2014 at 12:19pm<br /><br />Sorry.  That's hard to lose one.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Copperband not doing well : He passed away yerstoday, I do...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4008">Dan9554880</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 72790<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September&nbsp;05&nbsp;2014 at 9:08am<br /><br />He passed away yerstoday, I do have a yellow wrasse.  The tank it's a 90 gallon with more than 100 pounds of liverock I'm not sure how much I have (lost count) I'll try to get a tank shot up later on]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2014 09:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Copperband not doing well :   to Bob&amp;#039;s questions. ]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 72790<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September&nbsp;05&nbsp;2014 at 7:22am<br /><br /><img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley41.gif" border="0" alt="Beer" title="Beer" /> to Bob's questions.<br>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2014 07:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Copperband not doing well : Here&amp;#039;s my questions-   Given...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=1638">BobC63</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 72790<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September&nbsp;04&nbsp;2014 at 9:31am<br /><br />Here's my questions- <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Given that this type of fish (CBB) is notorious for being difficult to keep - mainly related to feeding&nbsp; / starvation issues...</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>1) How large is your tank? How many lbs of Live rock? How long has the tank been running?</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>2) Any other grazers&nbsp;or 'worm / pod&nbsp;feeders' in the tank; e.g. wrasses, mandarins, blennies,&nbsp;sailfin tangs, etc?</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>3) A photo of your tank may be helpful to assess whether or not you have the proper environment for this species</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>4) Bloodworms, tubifex, glassworms... ever try feeding it any of those foods?</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2014 09:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[Copperband not doing well : Unfortunately, by the time they...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 72790<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September&nbsp;04&nbsp;2014 at 8:58am<br /><br />Unfortunately, by the time they are laying on their side on the sand and breathing oddly, it's typically too late. As hobbyists, we strive to catch little problems before they reach a point of no return. This knowledge comes with experience. I know that in the last while you have been gaining lots of experience and knowledge. <img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif" border="0" alt="Thumbs Up" title="Thumbs Up" /><br><br>So what do we do when a fish starts hiding? Typically it means they are sick or they are being chased or both. I've had fish disappear for a few days and then reappear looking just fine. They probably had the Flu. Other times, I never see them alive again. What to do? Everyone knows that I promote the use of an effective garlic food additive and I talk about training bullies to stop bullying, but before those little miracles were revealed to me, I tried to learn how to make the environment as healthy and fish friendly as possible. This seems to have worked for me but it involved advance planning. It involved visiting with other hobbyists, viewing their setups and picking up good reefkeeping tips. That was the original purpose we founded this club, so we could share and learn how to do a better reef aquarium. Feel free to come back over to my place (when the lights are on<img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" border="0" alt="Wink" title="Wink" />) to pick up a few tips. <br><br>Aloha&nbsp; <img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley31.gif" border="0" alt="Hug" title="Hug" /><br>MarksReef Coral (&amp; fish) Farm<br>808-345-1049 (please call ahead)<br>750 E Lakepoint Dr. #4V&nbsp; Murray<br><br>P.S. <br>Those sick RBTA's you brought to me have recovered nicely and are doing very well.<br><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by Mark Peterson - September&nbsp;04&nbsp;2014 at 9:03am</span>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[Copperband not doing well : Any sign of ich or other parasites...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=3761">Fatman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 72790<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> September&nbsp;03&nbsp;2014 at 10:59pm<br /><br />Any sign of ich or other parasites or diseases?  Do you have a hospital tank you can set up to isolate and treat it?]]>
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