WMAS Discussion Forum : Filefish dying? http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Mon, 13 Jul 2026 03:21:34 +0000 Wed, 16 May 2012 12:34:53 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.03 360 www.utahreefs.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=56398 <![CDATA[WMAS Discussion Forum]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/1by1.gif http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/ <![CDATA[Filefish dying? : The overflow uncovered is usually...]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56398&PID=467104&title=filefish-dying#467104 Author: Mark Peterson
Subject: 56398
Posted: May 16 2012 at 12:34pm

The overflow uncovered is usually not enough. The sump/Refugium is probably behind closed doors, right?
It would be helpful to see a pic(s) of the entire system.
Big smile
]]> Wed, 16 May 2012 12:34:53 +0000 http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56398&PID=467104&title=filefish-dying#467104 <![CDATA[Filefish dying? : I just made so screensfor my 75...]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56398&PID=467103&title=filefish-dying#467103 Author: lskurys
Subject: 56398
Posted: May 16 2012 at 12:25pm

I just made so screens for my 75 gallon I got the screen frame from Homedepot and I went with the 1/4" clear netting from BRS.  It looks really good and almost no light lost.  I think the everything cost me like $25.  The even have a nice how to video on http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/store/ that will show you how to make a screen if you have never done it your self.  So for less than the cost of 1 nice fish you can make sure that you never have one jump out. ]]> Wed, 16 May 2012 12:25:58 +0000 http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56398&PID=467103&title=filefish-dying#467103 <![CDATA[Filefish dying? : I had just been using plastic...]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56398&PID=466990&title=filefish-dying#466990 Author: 1stupidpunk
Subject: 56398
Posted: May 15 2012 at 12:47pm

I had just been using plastic egg crate from the hardware store
]]> Tue, 15 May 2012 12:47:55 +0000 http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56398&PID=466990&title=filefish-dying#466990 <![CDATA[Filefish dying? : I had a screen top and fish were...]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56398&PID=466987&title=filefish-dying#466987 Author: 1stupidpunk
Subject: 56398
Posted: May 15 2012 at 12:33pm

I had a screen top and fish were still squeezing through. I thought that with the overflow down to the sump (which is open top) thruough the protien skimmer, across the baffles, would be suffiecient oxygen exchange? Am i mistaken?]]> Tue, 15 May 2012 12:33:09 +0000 http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56398&PID=466987&title=filefish-dying#466987 <![CDATA[Filefish dying? : BINGO, that&#039;s it. A reef...]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56398&PID=466981&title=filefish-dying#466981 Author: Mark Peterson
Subject: 56398
Posted: May 15 2012 at 11:34am

BINGO, that's it. A reef tank should always be open to the atmosphere.

There are also ways to set up a reef and do aquascaping to make fish happier so they don't jump. Pics will help and we can also tell you about the screening material we use that works awesome.


Edited by Mark Peterson - May 15 2012 at 11:36am]]> Tue, 15 May 2012 11:34:41 +0000 http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56398&PID=466981&title=filefish-dying#466981 <![CDATA[Filefish dying? : I&#039;m still a newby but I&#039;m...]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56398&PID=466975&title=filefish-dying#466975 Author: Shayne
Subject: 56398
Posted: May 15 2012 at 10:47am

I'm still a newby but I'm pretty sure that glass top would prevent good gas exchange. (Even with a skimmer and overflow box.) You should replace it with screening material.
 
The glass could also cause temps to climb. What kind of temps do you get in your tank?


Edited by Shayne - May 15 2012 at 10:48am]]> Tue, 15 May 2012 10:47:13 +0000 http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56398&PID=466975&title=filefish-dying#466975 <![CDATA[Filefish dying? : I just checked and my pH test...]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56398&PID=466950&title=filefish-dying#466950 Author: 1stupidpunk
Subject: 56398
Posted: May 15 2012 at 6:13am

I just checked and my pH test is really old, I will take some water to the LFS to get tested, and get a new test kit. I have an overflow and a skimmer (lots of microbubbles) so i assume my gas exchange is sufficient. I do have a glass top on the tank (becuase i kept loosing hawkfish).
I will put some pics on here when i get home from work.
]]> Tue, 15 May 2012 06:13:47 +0000 http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56398&PID=466950&title=filefish-dying#466950 <![CDATA[Filefish dying? : BTW, with tankwater dKH at 9 and...]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56398&PID=466868&title=filefish-dying#466868 Author: Mark Peterson
Subject: 56398
Posted: May 14 2012 at 5:03pm

BTW, with tankwater dKH at 9 and pH at 8.0 during the day, this tells me three possibilities:
1) the pH reading is inaccurate
2) the gas exchange is insufficient for this tanks needs
3) something in the tank is not decomposing fast enough because
      a) the hobbyist is overfeeding
      b) the tanks current biofiltration is insufficient
]]> Mon, 14 May 2012 17:03:39 +0000 http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56398&PID=466868&title=filefish-dying#466868 <![CDATA[Filefish dying? : 1stupidpunk wrote:Was in...]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56398&PID=466866&title=filefish-dying#466866 Author: Mark Peterson
Subject: 56398
Posted: May 14 2012 at 4:57pm

Originally posted by 1stupidpunk 1stupidpunk wrote:

Was in the bag for about an hour. I drip the same for everything.
I'm sorry, after an hour, the O2:CO2 ratio in the bag water had changed significantly, possibly causing the pH in the bag to ~7.8 and maybe even lower.

pH is an exponential scale. For every drop of 0.1 the pH is 10 times lower.
pH is very critical to fish health.

Something less well known is that when the bag was opened, the low pH water quickly converted urea (fish waste) to Ammonia which is a fish killer. From your description, I suspect this is what affected the Filefish, leading to it's eventual death.

Also FYI, if a bag is left in the car with sun shining on the bag, it can heat up extremely fast. Within 10 minutes a fish could be cooking. Try it out yourself. Fill a clear plastic bag with air and let it sit in the sun for a few minutes. I dislike bags. Whenever possible, like when getting a fish from a hobbyist, I transfer fish in partially open buckets so that the air exchange keeps the water constantly oxygenated, allowing CO2 to escape. This avoids the risk of having fish pee turn into Ammonia.

Also, everything should not be acclimated the same.  I drip acclimate only shrimp and very large fish for some very good reasons. The slow drip acclimation of this Filefish exposed it to Ammonia for the duration of the drip.

Please read the Reefkeeping Tip "Secrets of Adding New Fish...." and pay special attention to what was said regarding acclimation, then come back here if you have any further questions.

Again, sorry for your loss. Hopefully this new information will help for the future. Big smile
]]> Mon, 14 May 2012 16:57:15 +0000 http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56398&PID=466866&title=filefish-dying#466866 <![CDATA[Filefish dying? : You can raise sa by adding salt...]]> http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56398&PID=466805&title=filefish-dying#466805 Author: Akira
Subject: 56398
Posted: May 13 2012 at 11:15pm

You can raise sa by adding salt water rather than r/o when you top
 off. Also do you test dk ? Oops seen you do . What was the temp in old tank and your temp? Also what is ur PO4


Edited by Akira - May 13 2012 at 11:19pm]]> Sun, 13 May 2012 23:15:35 +0000 http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56398&PID=466805&title=filefish-dying#466805