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   <title><![CDATA[PH and Alkalinity : I can&amp;#039;t see any problems....]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 45416<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December&nbsp;17&nbsp;2010 at 1:21pm<br /><br />I can't see any problems. Just keep doing what you are doing.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[PH and Alkalinity : Thanks Shane... I don&amp;#039;t know...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=999">Davidwillis</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 45416<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December&nbsp;17&nbsp;2010 at 1:16pm<br /><br />Thanks Shane... I don't know if my wife would let me open the window...LOL, and the sump tank/sump is in the middle of the house. &nbsp;I have some ideas though...<div><br></div><div>Mark, I have not talked to anyone else about the Hiatt system, it seems to be working very well for me. &nbsp;But you know me, I like to play around with stuff. &nbsp;I am guessing my system is just fine with the alkalinity at 10 dhk, and the pH at 8.0.</div><div><br></div><div>Here are some pics of the surface of my tank, and sump. &nbsp;I know the sump could use a little more agitation, one of my pumps died (although I didn't notice any pH change by loosing the pump).</div><div><br></div><div><img src="http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n174/davidwillis_2006/IMG_0068.jpg" height="600" width="800" border="0" /><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><img src="http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n174/davidwillis_2006/IMG_0069.jpg" height="600" width="800" border="0" /><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><img src="http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n174/davidwillis_2006/IMG_0070.jpg" height="600" width="800" border="0" /><br></div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[PH and Alkalinity : Shane remembered it better than...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 45416<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December&nbsp;17&nbsp;2010 at 12:27pm<br /><br />Shane remembered it better than I did. <img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif" border="0" alt="Thumbs Up" title="Thumbs Up" /><br><br>Regarding Macroalgae, I've heard it posed by some knowledgeable people that the simple action of the splashing of water down the drain and the extended surface area of the sump is most of the advantage to nighttime pH and that Macroalgae adds only a little more benefit. In the last few years I have had more than a few simple tanks without sump/Refugiums and just ensured plenty of water flow from bottom to agitated surface. I am tending to agree with those people. <br><br>The problem with my advice here on this topic is that I stopped caring about pH many years ago and don't bother testing it.<br>Have you spoken with Burt about his experience with the Hiatt system?<br><br>If you don't mind, give us a look at the surface water of your tank and sump. I'm not saying that the present pH is a problem at all, just trying to help.<br>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[PH and Alkalinity : I can confirm that pH levels in...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=100">Shane H</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 45416<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December&nbsp;17&nbsp;2010 at 9:50am<br /><br />I can confirm that pH levels in your aquarium can decline during the winter months as a result of your house being closed up tight.&nbsp; If you can stand the cold, simply open a window near the tank and wait an hour - you pH will increase noticeably.<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>As I recall, pulling outside air through your skimmer was not extremely effective at elevating the pH and was not a solution for this "winter" pH problem.&nbsp; Although it couldn't hurt, I don't think it would solve your problem.&nbsp; A large portion of the gas exchange occurs at the surface and not through contact with your skimmer bubbles.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I think to elevate the pH without the use of kalkwasser (to avoid raising alk) you're going to need to improve the ventilation and possibly brave some cold by cracking a window!</DIV>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[PH and Alkalinity : Thanks mark, that is very good...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=999">Davidwillis</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 45416<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December&nbsp;17&nbsp;2010 at 8:17am<br /><br />Thanks mark, that is very good information.... I will by experimenting....<img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0" alt="Smile" title="Smile" />]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[PH and Alkalinity : The surge you get from that kind...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 45416<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December&nbsp;17&nbsp;2010 at 4:22am<br /><br />The surge you get from that kind of device is awesome. <br><br>A friend of ours and former WMAS member, Jon Finch is a Chemical Engineer. He used to be very active here. He studied it and as I remember the CO2 level outside was at least 20% lower than inside. He ran his skimmer airline outside and bumped up the pH by a point or two. His posts about it here may still be available in a search.<br><br>later with more<br>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[PH and Alkalinity : On a more serious note, is there...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=999">Davidwillis</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 45416<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December&nbsp;16&nbsp;2010 at 8:46pm<br /><br />On a more serious note, is there an easy way to measure the CO2 in my house, and outside? &nbsp;I would like to know how much higher it is in my house than outside. &nbsp;It would be interesting to see the CO2 to O2 ratio for in my aquarium, in my house, and outside. &nbsp;If there are huge differences that would give me an idea on where the best place to work is. &nbsp;If they are all the same, then it would mean my gas exchange is about as good as it can get. &nbsp;And I would have to find another way to get the CO2 out.<div><br></div><div>Also, with huge&nbsp;amounts&nbsp;of macro algae, do you still need the high alkalinity to get the pH up, or does that use up the CO2 enough to maintain a pH of 8.2 with an alkalinity of 7? &nbsp;I know that would not be an option with my setup, because I don't think I have the&nbsp;nutrients&nbsp;to support large amounts of macro algae, but I am curious to know if that would work.</div><div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[PH and Alkalinity : hmmm... well maybe I could put...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=999">Davidwillis</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 45416<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December&nbsp;16&nbsp;2010 at 8:14pm<br /><br />hmmm... well maybe I could put a 20 gal tank 5 ft above my tank, then pump the return into it. &nbsp;Then when it is full have it dump the entire 20 gal into my tank (while mixing it with air, or oxygen). &nbsp;Of course I would have to modify my overflow to handle that much flow....LOL<div><br></div><div><br><div><br></div></div>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[PH and Alkalinity : With pH being a function of the...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4">Mark Peterson</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 45416<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December&nbsp;16&nbsp;2010 at 6:20pm<br /><br />With pH being a function of the amount of CO2 in the water, I would go back to basics and fiddle with some things to see the effect. I know you love to tinker.&nbsp;<img src="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" alt="Big smile" title="Big smile" /> Have fun and let us know if you come up with a solution.]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[PH and Alkalinity : Thanks Mark... yes, the reason...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.utahreefs.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=999">Davidwillis</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 45416<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> December&nbsp;16&nbsp;2010 at 5:36pm<br /><br />Thanks Mark... yes, the reason I am concerned is that they are both a low nutrient system, and with the vodka method people get burnt tips on there corals if the alkalinity is too high (above 9 dkh). &nbsp;So I am concerned that I may have the same problem if I let the alkalinity get too high. &nbsp;But at the same time I would like to keep my pH at 8.0-8.3, which seems hard to achieve without keeping my alkalinity above 10. &nbsp;I have not noticed any problems, so I may be concerned for no reason...]]>
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