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Tank Threads : 180 Gallon In Wall Tank

Tue, 04/25/2017 - 01:37
Author: Krazie4Acans
Subject: 180 Gallon In Wall Tank
Posted: April 25 2017 at 7:37am

knowen87 wrote:

Krazie, I think that I am understanding the bean animal differently. The way I understand it is that the herbie....

I had siphon on the brain while typing. I updated my post with the correct words to avoid confusion from readers. We are of the same understanding on the drain setup. Any chance you could do a youtube video looking down into the overflow box while the return pump comes back on? One of the drain outlet pipe in the sump while it's running would help as well.

The reason that I believe your emergency drain may be allowing air into the drain is because while running the water level in the sump is just above the horizontal run of drain pipe. This means that the larger manifold pipe will attempt to be a siphon but because the durso and emergency drains allow air in the siphon in the manifold is broken at that point and just becomes gravity fed. You might be right about what is making this entire scenario work and that is the running level in the sump being slightly above the horizontal portion of the drain.

The only actual siphon portion in your design is from the Herbie input at the overflow box to the T where that line hits the manifold. Anything past there is gravity flow unless all three drains are covered in water completely and siphoning as well. This last condition is what I believe is happening during the return startup which creates a full siphon on all three drains (maybe a slight air leak on the durso vent) but once that siphon starts it almost immediately drains the overflow, manifold, the durso and emergency drains and then draws air into the manifold and breaks the siphon for everything but the Herbie. Does that sound like what you see during start up?

I'm just going through scenarios here as I have bad experiences with drains not working correctly so i probably over think them now. If you want to move on just say the word. I'm just trying to verify my understanding, get enough info to understand why this setup works and where it may fail based on the original design concepts of the drain style being used, and hopefully learn a bit more in the process.


Edited by Krazie4Acans - 8 hours 12 minutes ago at 7:48am
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Aquarium Related Classifieds : LED Optics and Thermal Tape

Mon, 04/24/2017 - 16:07
Author: Jeffatpm
Subject: LED Optics and Thermal Tape
Posted: April 24 2017 at 10:07pm

Yes they are.
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Tank Threads : 180 Gallon In Wall Tank

Mon, 04/24/2017 - 15:12
Author: knowen87
Subject: 180 Gallon In Wall Tank
Posted: April 24 2017 at 9:12pm

So to tell you all a little more about the move. I was able to get everything in one load. I only had a few corals and the anemones to worry about so that made moving the rock easy. The fish were easily caught and we headed to the new house. When we got to the house i put all of the fish in the 2 quarantine tanks. The clownfish and the smaller fish went in the upper and all of the others went in the lower. I quickly got the rock into the tank. I connected the apex, set up the protein skimmer and got the return pump going. Everything went fine until we had to go. After everything was said and done the aquarium was the last thing I was worried about. The tank was running, the fish were in the quarantine tanks everything would be ok until I came back the first thing in the morning. I was wrong I think that there was not enough oxygen in the water. When I showed up the next day the Lamark was long gone and the yellow tang was gasping on his side. I quickly threw all of the large fish into the main display except for the yellow tang. I did't want him dying under the rocks so I threw him in the sump. The hippo and sailfin we almost imediatly better and the yellow tang was getting better until he got too close to the return pump ( I think). I got the yellow tang back into the tank with the clowns and did an 80% water change. I think that the main culprit of the Lamarks death was the fact that circulation pump in the lower quarantine tank was not working right (that's why I think the oxygen was too low). Everything is fine now but it was hardly the best tank move I have ever done. 

Here is the tank right now. I will work on aquascaping more once things settle down a little more. 


Here is the back of the tank. Chords are a mess but I will work on that later.


Here is the quarantine tank. I am planning on trying my hand at raising clownfish. That is why they are in there. 
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Aquarium Related Classifieds : LED Optics and Thermal Tape

Mon, 04/24/2017 - 15:08
Author: m.ash
Subject: LED Optics and Thermal Tape
Posted: April 24 2017 at 9:08pm

Are the lenses still available?
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Tank Threads : 180 Gallon In Wall Tank

Mon, 04/24/2017 - 14:54
Author: Adam Blundell
Subject: 180 Gallon In Wall Tank
Posted: April 24 2017 at 8:54pm

That cast! Whoa!

Adam
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Tank Threads : 180 Gallon In Wall Tank

Mon, 04/24/2017 - 14:26
Author: knowen87
Subject: 180 Gallon In Wall Tank
Posted: April 24 2017 at 8:26pm

Krazie, I think that I am understanding the bean animal differently. The way I understand it is that the herbie is the full siphon that is restricted to just less than the amount of water that you want flow down the overflow. The Durso takes the remaining (small) amount of water that remains as well as variations in flow. To my understanding the durso never takes a full siphon because it has a hole in the top to prevent this. As far as the emergency overflow being like a hole in a straw I am not sure this will happen because the water level will always separate the different overflows because the water level never goes below the output drain into the sump.  If I am still not understanding this right please point me to an article that you feel can explain it some more. Thanks. The more that I think about it though I am pretty sure that I want to run the emergency drain as a separate line. I might be redoing the drains.
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Aquarium Related Classifieds : Purple Monti Cap

Mon, 04/24/2017 - 14:08
Author: Darth_Tater
Subject: Purple Monti Cap
Posted: April 24 2017 at 8:08pm

I've got 4 decent sized chunks of Purple Monti Cap.  They're about 1.5" around, give or take a little.  I'd really like to trade them for some SPS or LPS.  Especially interested in Blastos, Acros, Birdsnest, Acans, Trumpets.  I don't want any more Frogspawn, Hammers, Torches or Montis.

There is tons of bubble algae in the tank, but I don't see any on these frags.

PM or text offers to (801) 888 3751.








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Aquarium Related Classifieds : 90 gallon drilled

Mon, 04/24/2017 - 13:29
Author: rwgoose
Subject: 90 gallon drilled
Posted: April 24 2017 at 7:29pm

I hate to do this but my landlord just told me they are selling the place I'm living in. So I hate to move this tank again so selling my option. It's a 90 gallon drilled. Plumbed up and running, sump, apex jr with ph, temp and a eb8. Skimmer, media cone reactor, retro fit 6 t5 bulbs. Mixed euphilla and sps with a few chalices and monti caps. Scribbled rabbit fish, melinarus wrasse, purple fire fish, yellow watchman, two lemon chromis, sand star, large serpent star, large bristle star, three peppermint shrimp and one cleaner shrimp. About 150 lbs sand and 100 lbs rock. I have dosers as well as the soda ash and carbonate for them. Couple of extra tanks as well. Text me for pics. Looking to get $600.

801 634 8673
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Aquarium Related Classifieds : 12 gallon jbj

Mon, 04/24/2017 - 12:40
Author: rwgoose
Subject: 12 gallon jbj
Posted: April 24 2017 at 6:40pm

I have a 12 gallon jbj I just don't have time for. Has rock and sand. Been running for almost a year. Has one striped damsel and no corals. Looking to get $50 for it. Text me for pics.
801 634 8673
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Tank Threads : 90 gallon tank journal

Mon, 04/24/2017 - 10:32
Author: Scottyb
Subject: 90 gallon tank journal
Posted: April 24 2017 at 4:32pm

Ha, that's awesome! Sweet sump too
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Tank Threads : 90 gallon tank journal

Mon, 04/24/2017 - 09:35
Author: VdubReefer
Subject: 90 gallon tank journal
Posted: April 24 2017 at 3:35pm

Sorry for the hiatus from posting,, our son had to have tubes in his ears ,, and I didn't want to deal with the payments so we paid cash for the procedure to get it over with so that's why I haven't posted in a while ,, however we have been working some overtime at work the past couple weeks and I went tax exempt this pay period so I can have all that money
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Tank Threads : 180 Gallon In Wall Tank

Mon, 04/24/2017 - 09:22
Author: Krazie4Acans
Subject: 180 Gallon In Wall Tank
Posted: April 24 2017 at 3:22pm

knowen87 wrote:

Krazie - I took it down lower so that it would not show through the glass on the back of the tank. I am still not sure what I will do for a background. I didn't want to put the sump a lot lower though. I built the sump stand to allow for an additional 40g breeder to fit below.As far as self starting issues, I guess that I am not sure what you are talking about. When the power goes out the overflow box drains and water will just sit in in the drain until the return starts back up. There is no siphoning and it starts up just fine. My main concern is sediment buildup in the line. I will see how it goes. One nice thing is that I do get a lot of flow from the return. The total head height is only like 1.5ft-2ft so the flow rate substantially more than when the sump was under the tank.

Let me use your picture to try and explain what I meant.

So in order for the bean animal to work correctly (and silently) it has to be able to run a restricted siphon on the herbie, a full siphon on the Durso and not draw air into the line from the emergency. When the return shuts off the siphon breaks on both of the siphon drains and fills the pipe with air down to the level of the water in the sump and then holds water in the pipe drain pipe at that level. See my edit of your picture below. (Red is water level with the return off, yellow is air in the pipe and blue is water left in the pipe).



So then when the the return starts back up the drain has the potential to become whats called air locked due to the air in the lines being trapped between the water in the pipe and the water entering the drains. That air does not want to got down the pipe so this standing water in the pipe creates resistance to the siphons starting by them self until the drain either burps the air back up the drains or is able to break the air up into smaller bits and force it down the pipe and out the sump end. Most drain pipes in this drain setup will completely drain of water during the shutdown to prevent this airlock condition from happening.

It sounds like somehow you have not experienced an airlock yet but I just saw that there was the potential for it to happen in this setup.

A second question I have after thinking this through is in your setup where all three drains go into a single manifold do you experience any noise from air being sucked from your emergency drain into the manifold and then creating bubbles or gurgling at the sump? Because this drain setup is supposed to work based off of siphon it would seam that your emergency drain is a "hole in the side of the straw" and would be introducing air into what is supposed to be a "sealed" siphon.

Sorry about all the questions. Just stuff that popped into my head as I looked at your pictures and read your write up. Thanks for answering and sorry to hear about your daughters leg. I hope she heals up well. Krazie




Edited by Krazie4Acans - 6 hours 33 minutes ago at 3:27pm
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Tank Threads : 180 Gallon In Wall Tank

Mon, 04/24/2017 - 08:06
Author: knowen87
Subject: 180 Gallon In Wall Tank
Posted: April 24 2017 at 2:06pm

Moved the fish tank this weekend. Life can be crazy. My little brother came to help and I am glad he did. We started about 1:00pm and had most things finished by 6:00. Things got a little crazy. I lost the Lamark Angel and a Chromis and my daughter decided to break her leg.  It was rough to say the least. I think that everything has calmed down but I am really going to miss the angel. RIP. Ill add some more info and pics in the next day or two





She broke her leg crawling out of the crib both bones. ouch!
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Tank Threads : 180 Gallon In Wall Tank

Mon, 04/24/2017 - 07:48
Author: knowen87
Subject: 180 Gallon In Wall Tank
Posted: April 24 2017 at 1:48pm

Krazie - I took it down lower so that it would not show through the glass on the back of the tank. I am still not sure what I will do for a background. I didn't want to put the sump a lot lower though. I built the sump stand to allow for an additional 40g breeder to fit below.As far as self starting issues, I guess that I am not sure what you are talking about. When the power goes out the overflow box drains and water will just sit in in the drain until the return starts back up. There is no siphoning and it starts up just fine. My main concern is sediment buildup in the line. I will see how it goes. One nice thing is that I do get a lot of flow from the return. The total head height is only like 1.5ft-2ft so the flow rate substantially more than when the sump was under the tank.

Edited by knowen87 - 7 hours 12 minutes ago at 1:48pm
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General Discussion : Copepod?

Mon, 04/24/2017 - 07:36
Author: Nicole Prettyman
Subject: Copepod?
Posted: April 24 2017 at 1:36pm

Its $20 for Copepod and $15 for phytoplankton.    And sure this weekend works.  We are open this saturday from 1pm till 5pm.  Prettyman Exotics  825 N 300 W Ste C138 Salt Lake City Ut 84103.   If you have facebook follow up on our facebook page.  We keep it up to date on any closures or sales etc. 
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Tank Threads : Mitch's 400+ gallon build

Mon, 04/24/2017 - 06:30
Author: Krazie4Acans
Subject: Mitch's 400+ gallon build
Posted: April 24 2017 at 12:30pm

You keep it up and you won't even need that pantry above the stairs and it can be a fish closet!
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Tank Threads : Mitch's 400+ gallon build

Mon, 04/24/2017 - 06:03
Author: backwards32
Subject: Mitch's 400+ gallon build
Posted: April 24 2017 at 12:03pm

it needed to be replaced anyway and we decided if we move it over we could add 2 more cabinets and add some more counter space.
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General Discussion : Copepod?

Mon, 04/24/2017 - 06:01
Author: jaywilson709
Subject: Copepod?
Posted: April 24 2017 at 12:01pm

I am interested, what do you want for them? and can I come get some this weekend?
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LFS/Commercial/E-Commerce Posts : Your fish are hungry!

Mon, 04/24/2017 - 05:41
Author: MarineDepot
Subject: Your fish are hungry!
Posted: April 24 2017 at 11:41am

Your fish are hungry!
10% back rewards on Rod's Food, 10% off canister filters, and 10% off ESV!


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Meetings and Events : Cool Fish Presentation

Mon, 04/24/2017 - 05:15
Author: Hogie
Subject: Cool Fish Presentation
Posted: April 24 2017 at 11:15am

I'm excited for the meeting!
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