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POTM (Picture of the Month) : April POTM - Voting Final

Recent Message Board Posts - Tue, 05/14/2019 - 13:36
Author: HumuHumuForever
Subject: April POTM - Voting Final
Posted: May 14 2019 at 7:36pm

Voting is now CLOSED.
Congratulations to Brad Syphus (tileman)! (Don't forget to claim your $25 discount at Coral's Coral)
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Aquarium Related Classifieds : Tunze 9001 Skimmer

Recent Message Board Posts - Tue, 05/14/2019 - 08:42
Author: Skyward Imaging
Subject: Tunze 9001 Skimmer
Posted: May 14 2019 at 2:42pm

Skimmer works great but it is missing the bottom plastic piece. First $40 in my hand gets it. (801) 750-3628

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Fish : Fish Suggestions

Recent Message Board Posts - Tue, 05/14/2019 - 08:05
Author: bstuver
Subject: Fish Suggestions
Posted: May 14 2019 at 2:05pm

knowen87 wrote:

Clownfish for sure. Also you could do a pygmy angel. I love my flame angel and the potters are also beautiful too. the angels can nip at coral but that does not always happen. Clowns and angels will swim around a lot for you. 

These were my thoughts as well. I always love clowns and have always loved the small angels as well.
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Fish : Fish Suggestions

Recent Message Board Posts - Tue, 05/14/2019 - 08:04
Author: bstuver
Subject: Fish Suggestions
Posted: May 14 2019 at 2:04pm

Hogie wrote:

There's always cardinals. If you want something different then bangaii's, I like the yellow-striped cardinal fish. I have four and two have paired off. The male regularly carries babies. They're always out but don't swim around constantly. Also, they're not know for jumping if you don't have a lid.

If you do have a lid, I like scissor tail gobies or bar gobies. They're fun because they hang around the top of the water and add movement to the take. I have a about 10 in my tank and they are swim around together. It funny because they all sleep in the same little hole in the rocks about the size of a golf ball. They pack in like sardines and they all face the same direction parallel with each other and they are on top of each other and beside each other. So at night, if you shine a light in it, you see the mass of heads staring back at you. They pack in like sardines and they all face the same direction parallel with each other.

Thanks! Cardinals have never been my favorite but I will look into the others!
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Fish : Fish Suggestions

Recent Message Board Posts - Tue, 05/14/2019 - 06:10
Author: knowen87
Subject: Fish Suggestions
Posted: May 14 2019 at 12:10pm

Clownfish for sure. Also you could do a pygmy angel. I love my flame angel and the potters are also beautiful too. the angels can nip at coral but that does not always happen. Clowns and angels will swim around a lot for you. 
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Fish : Fish Suggestions

Recent Message Board Posts - Tue, 05/14/2019 - 04:48
Author: Hogie
Subject: Fish Suggestions
Posted: May 14 2019 at 10:48am

There's always cardinals. If you want something different then bangaii's, I like the yellow-striped cardinal fish. I have four and two have paired off. The male regularly carries babies. They're always out but don't swim around constantly. Also, they're not know for jumping if you don't have a lid.

If you do have a lid, I like scissor tail gobies or bar gobies. They're fun because they hang around the top of the water and add movement to the take. I have a about 10 in my tank and they are swim around together. It funny because they all sleep in the same little hole in the rocks about the size of a golf ball. They pack in like sardines and they all face the same direction parallel with each other and they are on top of each other and beside each other. So at night, if you shine a light in it, you see the mass of heads staring back at you. They pack in like sardines and they all face the same direction parallel with each other.
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General Discussion : Neptune Systems Insider

Recent Message Board Posts - Tue, 05/14/2019 - 04:37
Author: Hogie
Subject: Neptune Systems Insider
Posted: May 14 2019 at 10:37am

Thanks for the info! I'm excited to give it a shot.
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Aquarium Related Classifieds : 5 Gallon Bucket Of Live Rock From Established Tank

Recent Message Board Posts - Mon, 05/13/2019 - 15:56
Author: Skyward Imaging
Subject: 5 Gallon Bucket Of Live Rock From Established Tank
Posted: May 13 2019 at 9:56pm

5 Gallon Bucket Of Live Rock From Established Tank. Just took a tank down. I have a 5 gallon bucket of live rock full of life ready for someone’s tank. $20 and it’s yours. Won’t last long. (801) 750-3628

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Aquarium Related Classifieds : Aquatic Life RO Buddie 4stage Osmosis

Recent Message Board Posts - Mon, 05/13/2019 - 15:53
Author: Skyward Imaging
Subject: Aquatic Life RO Buddie 4stage Osmosis
Posted: May 13 2019 at 9:53pm

Aquatic Life RO Buddie Four Stage Osmosis System, 50-gal $40 (801) 750-3628

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Aquarium Related Classifieds : Price drop: Innovative Marine Nuvo Black 20g

Recent Message Board Posts - Mon, 05/13/2019 - 15:51
Author: Skyward Imaging
Subject: Price drop: Innovative Marine Nuvo Black 20g
Posted: May 13 2019 at 9:51pm

Innovative Marine NuvoBLACK Nano 20g for sale. Has overflow box and drilled out the back. It’s dirty but in great condition. One bulkhead needs replaced. The nut was superglued onto the bulkhead I’m assuming because of a leak. Would make an awesome frag tank. $150 😉 I’ll even give you the 20L that was used as the sump. And for an extra $40 I have a return pump for it.



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Aquarium Related Classifieds : Innovative Marine Nuvo Black 20g

Recent Message Board Posts - Mon, 05/13/2019 - 15:51
Author: Skyward Imaging
Subject: Innovative Marine Nuvo Black 20g
Posted: May 13 2019 at 9:51pm

Innovative Marine NuvoBLACK Nano 20g for sale. Has overflow box and drilled out the back. It’s dirty but in great condition. One bulkhead needs replaced. The nut was superglued onto the bulkhead I’m assuming because of a leak. Would make an awesome frag tank. $200 😉 I’ll even give you the 20L that was used as the sump. And for an extra $40 I have a return pump for it.



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General Discussion : Neptune Systems Insider

Recent Message Board Posts - Mon, 05/13/2019 - 13:17
Author: Krazie4Acans
Subject: Neptune Systems Insider
Posted: May 13 2019 at 7:17pm

Terence Fugazzi and Duane Oestreike(sp) are both using some creative coding to use a Trident with a reactor. One is using the Trident results to adjust the reactor pH up and down changing the amount of media being dissolved. The other is using the Trident results to adjust the effluent flow through the reactor and letting the Apex maintain pH to increase or decrease the reactor produced amount added to the tank. 
While doing this is not as simple as running a task like many other Trident related things are it is written up and being posted in the Neptune general forums for people to read and implement if they so desire.
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General Discussion : Neptune Systems Insider

Recent Message Board Posts - Mon, 05/13/2019 - 13:07
Author: Krazie4Acans
Subject: Neptune Systems Insider
Posted: May 13 2019 at 7:07pm

Hogie wrote:


I was wondering more for initial setup. If I'm getting 8.4 dkh with my hanna and then put on the trident, would it read close to the same number or would it be different? Sounds like in your case it read roughly .5 dkh differently, correct? 
In my case yes it was right around 0.5dKh off of my Hanna. That doesn't mean it will be that close to yours as the Hanna can be effected by many things like scratches in the cuvet, dirty cuvet, expired reagent, the accuracy of the amount of water you put in the cuvet. I guess what I am getting at is if you know what your Hanna numbers have been and you track those numbers against the Trident for a period of time then I'm not sure how far off from each other the numbers are really matters. If you are looking to know that your numbers are exact then you would have to be able to take a water sample to a commercial lab and have it tested within and hour of you collecting it to get even close to exact. Alk is effected by CO2 in the air.

Hogie wrote:


Why can't they be discussed? I thought the NDA was done? I would rather do 2 alk test and use less reagents. Since I don't have a DOS, I'm going to be using a 3rd party for the dosing anyways and having the extra tests doesn't do me any good or help increase stability. So there's no way to limit it to less then 4 test. 

It can't be discussed because it has to do with their intellectual property and design details that are not released to the public and are included in patents that are in filing. Release from the NDA is for general information and excludes some topics that Neptune has deemed sensitive.
Fewer tests does not show you usage numbers through out the day. You don't have to have a DOS to have dynamic dosing that increases or decreases throughout the day. You only have to have a DOS if you want the adjustments to be made by the Trident automatically. 4 test per day has actually come in handy a few times during the NSI to show clogged dosing lines, empty dosing containers and a few other mishaps that testing once a day or less would not have caught. There is also the issue of the reagent life once it's opened being only 2 months so reducing tests and saving reagents is really just wasting reagents as they start to break down after the 2 months.

Hogie wrote:


I didn't know you were using a reactor, I though you were using 2-part. I haven't really though about the trident with a reactor. Interesting...I'm going to have to give that some thought! 
Suprise!


Hogie wrote:


Can you tell how much it changes during each calibration?
Well I can see the last test before the calibration, then the calibration numbers, and then the first test after the calibration. That should give you a pretty close value to any change in the baseline if you wanted to track that once every 2 months.

Edited by Krazie4Acans - 19 hours 50 minutes ago at 7:10pm
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Fish : Fish Suggestions

Recent Message Board Posts - Mon, 05/13/2019 - 11:24
Author: bstuver
Subject: Fish Suggestions
Posted: May 13 2019 at 5:24pm

Looking for some fish suggestions for a 40 breeder that don't hide so much. The tank I bought I kept the green chromes, pink stripe goby, purple firefish and tailspot blend all of which hang out in the rocks for the most part. Thinking of 1-3 more fish that are a bit less rock dwellers.
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General Discussion : Neptune Systems Insider

Recent Message Board Posts - Mon, 05/13/2019 - 10:54
Author: Hogie
Subject: Neptune Systems Insider
Posted: May 13 2019 at 4:54pm

krazie4acans wrote:

I only tested manually for about 2.5ish weeks when I first got the Trident so that I could see how far it was off from my manual testing but more importantly that the changes in the system showed on both tests and those changes tracked each other when the tests were performed at teh same time. Once I could see that they were consistantly reporting the same variations in the tank but that the values were different I stopped manual testing unless there was a significant change that I could not explain. My Alk testing with my Hanna checker was -0.5 to -0.8 less than my Trident but tracked the changes and spikes very consistantly. My Calcium was 70ppm lower on the Trident then my Hanna checker and 20ppm lower than my Red Sea kit. Mag was always within 10-15ppm of my red sea kit. I'm not sure that comparing a manual test with a visual result is a good comparison to a calibrated electronic sensor. The human eye just isn't that accurate to color levels and very slight changes. It was never important to me that the values matched each other. I only cared that the changes tracked each other because I have never chased numbers in my tanks and I never believed the manual test kits to be very accurate in the first place.

I was wondering more for initial setup. If I'm getting 8.4 dkh with my hanna and then put on the trident, would it read close to the same number or would it be different? Sounds like in your case it read roughly .5 dkh differently, correct?

krazie4acans wrote:

No, there is no way to do fewer than 4 Alk tests, 2 Ca tests and 2 Mg tests per day but you can do more than that. The biggest reason for that is because that is what it takes to make sure that the Alk is +- 0.05 dKh and Ca and Mg are +- 15ppm with every single test. There are other reasons for that but they are related to IP and cannot be discussed.

Why can't they be discussed? I thought the NDA was done? I would rather do 2 alk test and use less reagents. Since I don't have a DOS, I'm going to be using a 3rd party for the dosing anyways and having the extra tests doesn't do me any good or help increase stability. So there's no way to limit it to less then 4 test.

krazie4acans wrote:

I don't have my Trident physically hooked to my DOS. They do not actually connect to each other physically. The Trident uses either a 1Link cable OR a 24v power supply and aquabus cable to connect to the Apex just like other devices. My DOS is being controlled by my Trident for the small amount that my DOS is adding to make up for my reactor being set a tiny bit lower than demand. Is that what you mean? My reactor keeps my tank within 0.1dKh of my target and my DOS is setup to add about 22ml of Alk supplement a day to bring it up to my desired level. The DOS is currently adding 18.7ml per day based on the Trident control.

I didn't know you were using a reactor, I though you were using 2-part. I haven't really though about the trident with a reactor. Interesting...I'm going to have to give that some thought!

krazie4acans wrote:

The only changes I have seen over time have been related to tuning. Each set of reagents that you get have a bottle of calibration solution with them. So every 2 months there is a recalibration of the Trident based on a reference sample. After each of those calibrations my test numbers have never moved significantly one way or the other from the test numbers prior to the calibration. The only way to really answer what I believe you are getting at is to not calibrate the unit at all and somehow not have any variation in tank usage or dosing. Or maybe to only test a known value solution for every test and see if there is a shift. From the stand point of a reef tank and slight up and down shifts that naturally occur and are part of our hobby I have not seen any degradation or shift in readings in the 3 months that I have been using it. In the 3+ weeks that the Trident has been controlling my DOS I don't believe that there has been any shift in the reading accuracy either but I'm not sure how you would know that without some other testing method and my Hanna is still giving me readings that are within the same gap that I have had since I got the Trident and started testing.

Can you tell how much it changes during each calibration?

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General Discussion : Neptune Systems Insider

Recent Message Board Posts - Mon, 05/13/2019 - 07:30
Author: Krazie4Acans
Subject: Neptune Systems Insider
Posted: May 13 2019 at 1:30pm

Hogie wrote:

Do you have something that shows a comparison of what the trident's test results were vs manual test results over time? I get that it is super consistent, but I'm wondering how it is for accuracy and how it compares with a manual test kit.

Also, is there anyway to get it to test less then 4 times a days?

Sounds like you have it hooked up to your dos, is that right?

How long have you been running it? Have you seen any gradual change in readings over time?
I only tested manually for about 2.5ish weeks when I first got the Trident so that I could see how far it was off from my manual testing but more importantly that the changes in the system showed on both tests and those changes tracked each other when the tests were performed at teh same time. Once I could see that they were consistantly reporting the same variations in the tank but that the values were different I stopped manual testing unless there was a significant change that I could not explain. My Alk testing with my Hanna checker was -0.5 to -0.8 less than my Trident but tracked the changes and spikes very consistantly. My Calcium was 70ppm lower on the Trident then my Hanna checker and 20ppm lower than my Red Sea kit. Mag was always within 10-15ppm of my red sea kit. I'm not sure that comparing a manual test with a visual result is a good comparison to a calibrated electronic sensor. The human eye just isn't that accurate to color levels and very slight changes. It was never important to me that the values matched each other. I only cared that the changes tracked each other because I have never chased numbers in my tanks and I never believed the manual test kits to be very accurate in the first place.
No, there is no way to do fewer than 4 Alk tests, 2 Ca tests and 2 Mg tests per day but you can do more than that. The biggest reason for that is because that is what it takes to make sure that the Alk is +- 0.05 dKh and Ca and Mg are +- 15ppm with every single test. There are other reasons for that but they are related to IP and cannot be discussed. Just in case those reading are not aware the default 4 tests per day consist of an Alk only test then a combined Alk,Ca,Mg test then an Alk only and then a second combined test. So the unit is only doing two types of tests. Alk only or everything.
I don't have my Trident physically hooked to my DOS. They do not actually connect to each other physically. The Trident uses either a 1Link cable OR a 24v power supply and aquabus cable to connect to the Apex just like other devices. My DOS is being controlled by my Trident for the small amount that my DOS is adding to make up for my reactor being set a tiny bit lower than demand. Is that what you mean? My reactor keeps my tank within 0.1dKh of my target and my DOS is setup to add about 22ml of Alk supplement a day to bring it up to my desired level. The DOS is currently adding 18.7ml per day based on the Trident control.
The only changes I have seen over time have been related to tuning. Each set of reagents that you get have a bottle of calibration solution with them. So every 2 months there is a recalibration of the Trident based on a reference sample. After each of those calibrations my test numbers have never moved significantly one way or the other from the test numbers prior to the calibration. The only way to really answer what I believe you are getting at is to not calibrate the unit at all and somehow not have any variation in tank usage or dosing. Or maybe to only test a known value solution for every test and see if there is a shift. From the stand point of a reef tank and slight up and down shifts that naturally occur and are part of our hobby I have not seen any degradation or shift in readings in the 3 months that I have been using it. In the 3+ weeks that the Trident has been controlling my DOS I don't believe that there has been any shift in the reading accuracy either but I'm not sure how you would know that without some other testing method and my Hanna is still giving me readings that are within the same gap that I have had since I got the Trident and started testing.

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General Discussion : Neptune Systems Insider

Recent Message Board Posts - Mon, 05/13/2019 - 06:47
Author: Hogie
Subject: Neptune Systems Insider
Posted: May 13 2019 at 12:47pm

Do you have something that shows a comparison of what the trident's test results were vs manual test results over time? I get that it is super consistent, but I'm wondering how it is for accuracy and how it compares with a manual test kit.

Also, is there anyway to get it to test less then 4 times a days?

Sounds like you have it hooked up to your dos, is that right?

How long have you been running it? Have you seen any gradual change in readings over time?
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General Discussion : Neptune Systems Insider

Recent Message Board Posts - Mon, 05/13/2019 - 05:05
Author: Krazie4Acans
Subject: Neptune Systems Insider
Posted: May 13 2019 at 11:05am

knowen87 wrote:

Tell us more about maintenance on the trident. What does Neptune say about keeping it going and accurate?
@knowen87, There is not a set maintenance for the Trident yet. What we do know is that somewhere in the 18-24 month timeframe from installation there are some parts that will need to be replaced. There will be a few options for getting this done:
1. A parts kit that will cost "less than $100" that you can DIY replace at your home (Neptune has said that this option comes with a very high risk of causing damage to some internal parts if not done correctly which would then result in you having to send the Trident in to get it fixed and would not be a covered repair which means it would cost more money).
2. A ship the unit in to have it replaced with an already refreshed unit after they receive yours. This option will cost more than the parts kit and you will be without a tester during the period of shipping the unit in and getting the replacement shipped back. This option is said to be in the $180-200 range but no price set for sure. This option does present almost no risk o funit damage unless it happens during shipping which would be resolved with another unit, or you damging it when trying to install it (which would not be covered and would result in additional costs). 
3. A pre-ship option where Neptune sends you a refreshed replacement unit, you swap yours out with the new unit and then send your old unit back. This option will cost the same as option 2 although there will most likely be a deposit required that will be refunded after they receive the returned unit. This option will be the least painful for being without a Trident but will be more painful to the pocket book during the swapout time.
There were a couple of other options discussed that we have been asked to keep under wraps for now.
This maintenance is not "Required" but knowing that there is a parastaltic pump and tubing inside this unit I would guess that at some point if it is not done the tubing will either collapse and stop working or split and start leaking tank water and reagents inside the unit.
Lots of people are "screaming" about this maintenance and the fact that the numbers and schedule for doing it are not solidified yet. The funny part is that Neptune doesn't know these things yet because they haven't had fully functioning units running the actual allowed schedules for the timeframe that they need in order to know that yet. They are currently basing the schedule interval off of part hours of use data from the manufacturer and calculations on Trident usage models. They want this to be as along as possible without risking having units start leaking before the maintenance is performed.
That is the best I can tell you right now. but that should let you know what to expect for now with more clarity to come later.

Edited by Krazie4Acans - 23 hours 51 minutes ago at 11:09am
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LFS/Commercial/E-Commerce Posts : Reserve Your Reefer Deluxe Today!

Recent Message Board Posts - Mon, 05/13/2019 - 04:50
Author: MarineDepot
Subject: Reserve Your Reefer Deluxe Today!
Posted: May 13 2019 at 10:50am

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General Discussion : Neptune Systems Insider

Recent Message Board Posts - Mon, 05/13/2019 - 04:48
Author: Krazie4Acans
Subject: Neptune Systems Insider
Posted: May 13 2019 at 10:48am

knowen87 wrote:

I imagine it writes its own code for adjusting the dosing right?
@knowen87, Actually the way the controlled dosing works is that you setup the DOS to get your dosing into the ball park of where you want your numbers to be using the regular wizard setup for the DOS and creating intervals throughout the day for regular and increased dosing. Once you are keeping the numbers close with your settings you turn on Trident control. It doesn't modify your programming at all. It simply lets you set your target value you are trying to keep, a range of +- percentage around that number that is acceptable and then how much control adjustment you are willing to let the Trident adjust your dosing. Once you enter those values the Trident knows what to do in the background to speed up or slow down the dosing based on the test results. It doesn't actually change your code for the DOS.
If something happens and the test value is outside of the +- range that you set for the Trident then it stops adjusting and the dosing falls back to your original interval dosing that you setup. This is why it's important to get the DOS intervals close to where you want before you turn on the Trident control.
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