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Posted: April 08 2005 at 10:32am |
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I was chatting about it with another member last night and thought I
might post it here as a possibly suggestion. I think that on frag
fest night we shouldn't let anyone do private sales of frags. Not
only is it somewhat of bad form to compete with the club on the one
night the club is selling frags, but it definitely takes away from the
clubs funds. I saw several "private" frags of xenia for $5 a frag
when I had donated a bunch for the club sale that were $10 for members
needless to say people bought the private frags. It just got me
thinking, why would should I donate corals to the club when no one else
is, and they're just going to undercut the club anyways. I'm
rambling, but you guys get the point... Anyone else think not
allowing private sales on this night would be a good idea?
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 10:51am |
I think that's a good suggestion.
Damon and I wouldn't normally have had a ton of stuff, and that won't happen again. Adam can address your thoughts better than I can, but it might be worth mentioning that we do talk about people selling frags at every presidency meeting that I can remember. For the most part, we think that people selling their frags at the meeting helps promote the "save a reef, grow your own" idea. We try to let people sell their frags in such a way that it doesn't impede the meetings.
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 10:54am |
My opinion is that this is one of the advantages of the WMAS. To get us all together to pawn off Xenia that is overunning our tanks.  For anyone that was at the meeting last night, call me and come to my place for a free frag or a few free snails.  Oh, and thanks to everyone that bought frags last night. This helps fund the clubs activities. One person, Dave Tea, the WMAS member in Brigham City that let's me sell his baby Tomato Clownfish, gave us $40 which is about double the amount of what he bought. It's people like him, that give so much support in time and $$, that make this club thrive as it does.
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 10:55am |
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I wasn't trying to single you, or anyone, out so sorry if you felt attacked...
I definitely agree that people selling frags is a great thing for the
club, heck probably 90% of my reef is from frags from the meetings
=) I just though having one month without them would encourage
people to donate frags to the club for sale and help ensure they all
get sold.
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 11:06am |
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I think this a good discussion. The point about donating to the
club is a very valid point. I think your contribution to our club is
very much to be comended. Thank you very much!
Would asking the sellers to also contribute be a good idea?
I've always considered it an unspoken piece of gratitude, sorta
giving back to the hand that feeds you sorta thing.
But, it has always been unspoken so maybe some people just
have not thought about it! Thanks for speaking it!
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 11:07am |
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I agree. This club does so much for people that I don't think it's to much to ask of people to refrain from selling thier frags on the day of the frag fest.
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 11:39am |
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I agree also. Refraining from personal gain for the good of the
club for one day seems a reasonable request. Private meetings can
be set up and this site can be well used to facilitate selling frags
the entire rest of the year.
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 12:21pm |
DNellans-
Holy Crap! You said exactly what we discussed late last night. It appears that we may have to have a "please don't bring frags to sell" added to the club coral cutting nights. We would absolutely love for everyone to bring to the frags and cuttings, and then donate them to us to sell.
Otherwise, you're right it really does compete with us. You may be able to get a frag cheaper from someone else at the meeting, but remember these frag fests are what fund the club. I'm sure if everyone who was selling frags last night would have donated those frags to the club we would have doubled what we made.
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 12:27pm |
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I would agree that private sales should not be allowed on frag fest nights. If someone wants to bring and sell frags that night then all proceeds need to goto the club.
However, I don't think that banning the private sale of frags during all other meetings is acceptable, and would hurt the club it the long run.
These next comments is based on fact and observation from last night and past frag fests so please don't take offense. I thought last nights meeting was great and beleive that with a few changes the club could earn a significant amount more money.
I think less acros and stony corals should be sold and more soft/low light corals fraged instead would draw more money. Seeing more mushrooms, zoos, green and pink stars and other hardy and low light corals would net a bigger profit. Here are the reasons.
1. Compared to soft corals, alot of acro trading goes on in private on the web forum. Thus demand is generally lower at the frag fest unless you have an unusual or rare one.
2. A big acro goes a long way. It looked to me like one acro could produce 30 or more frags.
3. Saddly, alot of people are selling tanks and moving. We should consider doing things to get more begginers intothe club to take their place.
4. Alot of people new to the hobby(and several I talked to last night) come to this meeting not wanting to risk paying several dollars on a large coral when it could die. Generally these people have setup a small tank with NO or PC lighting with the thought of upgrading to a bigger tank and metal halides once they get the basics down. I noticed several dishartened people in this situation last night when alot of the softer lower light requiring corals went fast and all that was left was several dozen acro frags.
Again I think last nights meeting was great and appreciate the hard work the presidency whent thought to pull it off. I do think demographics are changing howevere and we should possibly shift to satisfy getting more begginers in the hobby and becomming club members.
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 12:50pm |
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DVader has a good suggestions with trying to have more frags for low
light tanks. Considering so many of us actually have softy and
LPS tanks we all should have (including me) come up with more frags for
the meeting.
I think the "medium to high" light, doesn't mean much to the beginners
unfortunately. Maybe using descriptions of, normal output,
vho/pc, halides only, would give beginners a better idea? is
there an annual "lighting your tank" meeting where info about lumens
per watt, color spectrum, etc are talkd about?
-dwn
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 12:55pm |
 DVadar wrote:
I think less acros and stony corals should be sold and more soft/low light corals fraged instead would draw more money. Seeing more mushrooms, zoos, green and pink stars and other hardy and low light corals would net a bigger profit. Here are the reasons.
1. Compared to soft corals, alot of acro trading goes on in private on the web forum. Thus demand is generally lower at the frag fest unless you have an unusual or rare one.
2. A big acro goes a long way. It looked to me like one acro could produce 30 or more frags.
3. Saddly, alot of people are selling tanks and moving. We should consider doing things to get more begginers intothe club to take their place.
4. Alot of people new to the hobby(and several I talked to last night) come to this meeting not wanting to risk paying several dollars on a large coral when it could die. Generally these people have setup a small tank with NO or PC lighting with the thought of upgrading to a bigger tank and metal halides once they get the basics down. I noticed several dishartened people in this situation last night when alot of the softer lower light requiring corals went fast and all that was left was several dozen acro frags.
Again I think last nights meeting was great and appreciate the hard work the presidency whent thought to pull it off. I do think demographics are changing howevere and we should possibly shift to satisfy getting more begginers in the hobby and becomming club members. |
I disagree. In the past we have had a majority of SPS corals that all sold quite quickly. On the flip side, there was probably 20 frags of leather (at least) that went un bought last night. There were also frags from the propogation demo that were left unbought.
Do you think it was the type of softies that we had that is the reason they were not bought?
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 12:58pm |
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I think it wasn't clear to the beginners what would probably make it in
their tanks so they held off. i didn't hang around for the
fragging tutorial either, was it mostly new faces? i know when i
was just starting i was reluctant to put frags in my tank that weren't
already attached to rubble rock because supergluing can be a real pain,
so maybe that held them back?
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 1:20pm |
I wonder if there were some left unbought because there weren't the usual "teaser" threads regarding what corals would be available.  We usually have pictures posted almost a week early.
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 1:54pm |
Sorry .. If i stepped on any toes .... I delivered some
frags that people had already purchased via the website.
I do totally agree ... it would be a good thing for individuals not to sell frags
at the club "fragfest" meetings.
I always thought that the SPS were popular at the frag meetings. (I think I sense the AntiSPS League at work ). I
had to scramble to get a piece of that lavender humilis (which is doing fantastic) at the meeting before
this last one. I even missed a piece or two, because they were all gone!  I did like all the montipora frags at this meeting though!
I think everything of mine should be grown out enough by the next meeting, that I should have a few nice pieces to donate.
I missed the auction is usually held ... it is usually pretty fun.
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 1:59pm |
I tend to disagree wiht the competition thing. I personally bought 4 frags from "frag fest" and 6 frags from members. None of the frags I bought from members were available from the frag fest. And I bought the only frags I was interested in from the fest. I think everyone is interested in the betterment of the club, and if they bought a frag from someone instead of the club, it wasn't to save a nickel, it was probably due to convenience. It was a bit stuffy in there. I think the numbers would have been the same whether private sellers were there or not. Of course that's just my opinion, I've been wrong before BTW that was my first "Fragment Festival" and I didn't leave empty handed 
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 2:52pm |
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 3:11pm |
Great Ideas!!!!!!!!!!!
I would support an action like this!
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 3:11pm |
DVadar wrote:
I noticed several dishartened people in this situation last night when alot of the softer lower light requiring corals went fast and all that was left was several dozen acro frags. |
We had lots of lower light corals left over at the meeting. The reason there were so many SPS left over is because they were not the awesome colors that people have come to expect.
Thanks for all the suggestions. We will definitely consider all of them for the next coral cutting.
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 3:13pm |
arraingements for pickup can be made between buyer and seller on the lot
LOL ... this sounds pretty suspicious.
I keep wondering when someone at my work is going to ask me what i'm
doing. I keep going out to meet people in front of my building, hand
them baggies through their car windows, and walk away w/ cash!
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Posted: April 08 2005 at 3:25pm |
What about when the feds show up because of our High power bills, and blaring light coming through the windows and several people in and out every day leaving with small "baggies" I wish I had a better idea of how the meeting worked (the frag fest portion) cause I would have donated what I could. I have a neat xenia (haha) that needs fragging. Would have been good for the seminar... Since xenia is so hard to frag 
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