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Topic: Dosing Mg Posted: March 03 2011 at 11:14pm |
Does anyone see anything wrong with dosing epsom salts for Mg? I know that the sulfates can build up over time, but with 10% weekly water changes that should eliminate that problem right? Thanks for your comments and suggestion!
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Posted: March 03 2011 at 11:21pm |
some people will say thats fine... i believe you should ALWAYS use a mixture of chloride and sulfate. chloride is always gonna be your best "transport" for mag (well anything really)... so with a better transport will mean better growth... plus your not putting all that sulfur into your tank. i know things can use up the sulfur, but not nearly as well as the chloride
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Posted: March 03 2011 at 11:27pm |
Brs sells it pretty cheap
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Posted: March 03 2011 at 11:42pm |
BRS sells what, MgCl? What about using the ice melt from like costco?
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Posted: March 03 2011 at 11:43pm |
BRS does sell it pretty cheap... i found some ice melt the other day that says 100% mag chloride hexahydrate.... from everything i can tell it is 100% the hexahydrate is just how the salt crystal forms with 6 H20 ions (at least thats what i got from the read).. i am ordering some from brs tomorrow and going to do a side by side test to see if they are at all different... if they are looks like i have my ice melt for next year lol
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Posted: March 03 2011 at 11:44pm |
thats where i bought mine costco..
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Posted: March 03 2011 at 11:44pm |
Do you just mix their magnesium chloride and magnesium sulfate? Or can I just mix the epsom salts with the magnesium chloride...
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Posted: March 03 2011 at 11:51pm |
right... magnesium sulfate is epsom salt....
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Posted: March 04 2011 at 12:08am |
Seems like its kinda a gamble to use some random ice melt for MgCl Im not saying there isnt ones out there that work just fine without releasing crap into the water but until someone does a study and says that a particular brand is 100% reef safe. Why risk it? BRS is pretty cheap obviously not as cheap as costco. If you think about how much your spending over the course of say like a year it really doesn't cost much. These company's say 100% MgCl or for calcium 100% CaCl but in all actuality they aren't even close. To me its worth the extra $ to have the peace of mind.
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Posted: March 04 2011 at 12:26am |
A molecule is a molecule and spells out what something is.. MGCl2-6H20 is magnesium chloride 2 hexa hydrate is 6 parts water. Now I am not saying that maybe its not stored wrong, or packaged in a non- sterile enviroment, or comes in contact with bad stuff... but, I know a ton of people that only use driveway salt for there calcium chloride and magnesium chloride. I belive his name is ken heart out in west jordan says he uses tons of calcium chloride rock salt and never had an issue. And he has a pretty stellar tank.
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Posted: March 04 2011 at 9:21am |
This is a good instructional video on mixing up Magnesium. You can use Magnesium Sulfate or Magnesium chloride form what ever source you want. I get mine form BRS as well and it lasts a long time. I bought mine as part of the 2 part starter kit a year ago and still have about 1/2 of the product left so over time the cost is minimal but you can save money if you want to use Ice Melt or other products. It's best to mix the Mag Sulfate and Chloride and this video covers the proper amounts to mix up one gallon of Magnesium solution.
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Posted: March 04 2011 at 10:36am |
I didn't read all the posts above- just jumped down here to say that we use a ton of epsom salts for our tanks. As in those 4 pound bags..... we buy 5 or 6 of them at a time every few months.
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Posted: March 04 2011 at 11:58am |
I did a mix of the BRS MgCl with Epsom Salt as I couldn't find the MgCl cheap alternatives. Of course, the recipe calls for 5 cups of the more expensive MgCl to the 3 Cups of Epsom Salt in 1 gallon of water. That said the Mg dosing is less often and less expensive than the Calc or Alk dosing.
If you have a gallon jug, add the salts, then add the water (warmer is better for dissolving the salts) and within 24 hours it's crystal clear.
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Posted: May 02 2011 at 4:42am |
So I have a question of similar nature. Not to throw this thread off topic. I have a Bryopsis problem and want to treat it before it gets out of control. I have been dosing Kent Tech-M daily and am attempting to get levels to the 1500 mark. I have been dosing for about a week and it appears it is not getting any better but actually getting worse. I do feed heavily and feed corals with Reef Chili or Coral Frenzy. I use te Hanna Checker Phosphate checker and each time I get the reading 0.00. I am sure there is pO4 in my tank, I am not sure why I can't detect any. Anyone treat Bryopsis this way and can share some advise? Or should I just give it few more weeks
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Posted: May 02 2011 at 9:21am |
The OP has been answered very well. As for the Bryopsis problem: The reason PO4 and N compounds are at or near zero is because the algae is eating it as fast as it enters the water. Algae is such a wonderful water purifier. Tech M must be added until the Mg level is over 2000 ppm to start killing Bryopsis. The extra feeding is actually just feeding the Bryopsis you are trying to get rid of. I would definitely recommend stopping the feeding for 4 days and feeding half as much after that. Trust me, everything will be fine without feeding, in fact it will be better, as the rest of the biofiltration catches up to the overfeeding, in effect 'eats up the food'. When a tank is not fed so much the fish and inverts start eating more algae. Algae is a major part of most fish and invert menus. A healthy reef tank actually feeds itself by growing some of it's own food, but that's hard to discover until we cut off and then slow the feeding from then on. How many of what type of snails are in this 40 gal tank?
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Posted: May 02 2011 at 4:47pm |
Prob close to 50 dwarf cerith snails, some large Florida cerith snails, Nassarius, astria snails, blue legged hermits, Nerites. I am prob just being impatient and admit to over feeding the fish. My kids love feeding the fish and always come to me and want to feed the fish. Thx for the advise Mark, much appreciated
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