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Mark (and Jon)-

We dissected a pouch at the pres meeting.  It wasn't at all what we were expecting.  It wasn't granulated anything.  It looked to me like wheet grass, and Jake said it tasted (yes tasted) like some sort of seed.  It also had the same look as sawdust.  Remember all that talk a few years back about using hay?  Remember how Seabase added bales of hay to the water hoping it would suck stuff up.  It uses that same type of principle. 

But still, I don't know what it is.

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I knew I left too soon  (babysitters ).  Diana, do you still have it?

Hay you say?  What's the theory behind that?

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I love a challange. Is that pouch still available for further analysis?
Sounds like I missed a great Pres. Meeting. Maybe I should have stayed home instead of taking some r&r in San Diego.


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Jon,

I don't know much about the theory because it never seemed important enough for me to read up on.  But basically, you put hay in a high flow area (filter system) and as the water passes around it, the hay will trap, and consume PO4 as bacteria and algae begin to grow in the hay. So you just replace the hay ever few weeks. Just a few months ago we saw a bunch of hay at Seabase in the water, but it was near the outlet, so I don't know how much good that would have done, even if the theory holds up.
That may seem like a stretch, but lots of people, and even public aquaria use it. And yes we kept that pouch for you.  I'm not sure who has it but I remember Steve putting it in a plastic bag for you.

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As I remember, Linda said that Barley hay was supposed to work best. That's cool that someone actually took the "crazy" idea and made it into a product that works!
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I was just looking at a Fosters & Smith catalog, where they sell Barley Straw "in 6 to 8 weeks the straw begins releasing safe oxygenators to clear your pond naturally.  Most effective in shallow, sunny ponds with good circulation."  It says 1/2 lb treats 500 gallons for $12.99.  I've seen ponds and lakes in England use this to clear algae.  Just thought I'd chime in there!

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I still have the contents of the pouch in a plastic bag. I was planning to send it to Jon.

I called the Algone company today, because someone asked me if they sold it at any LFS. They said that they don't have any resellers in our area yet. While I had them on the phone, I tried to get the guy to tell me what's in this stuff. All he would say was that it was a proprietary all-natural formula.

Jon - Are you still interested?

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Diana,  yes, bring it to the April meeting?  I doubt I'll have anything to add to what has already been said, I'm just curious.
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I'll bring it.
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I guess that I can understand the concept of a natural media bed for the adsorption of solids and the promotion of a biological process. But, I just don't care for the technology, it's too easy. I would venture to say that ALMOST any standard filter would work to similar success, it just depends on what your target contaminate is. For instance, if you had high metals I would use bone char carbon or maybe coconut shell.

I think that the organic filter releases it's own nutrients and phosphates when soaked for a period of time by its own deterioration. This may stimulate an above average algal growth which will then consume more nutrients from the influent.

Adam, the "bunch of hay at Seabase in the water, but it was near the outlet, so I don't know how much good that would have done" may have utilized the pressure behind the effluent to force it through the natural media. In many cases, bales are used as primary solids and free oil filters. This could have been the thought process.

Just my thoughts and experience.

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Carl,

That makes sense, and I agree that would force the water through the hay allowing it to be filtered.  But that was the outlet!!!  Why filter the water that is then going away?  See what I'm saying?  That wouldn't do much to filter the water in the lake. 

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I've been doing some reading on barley hay for algae control, the data has a lot in common with using garlic to treat ich (not a lot of hard scientific experiment results and the conclusions are mixed).  Maybe I'll post some info and links on straw...

I agree with Adam, it makes no sense to me to put the bales at the outlet .

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Adam, I misunderstood which outlet you were referring to. Sorry. I thought that it was an outlet from a filtration or circulation system into the pond. Perhaps it is used to prevent livestock from leaving the pond? Also, if they are discharging to a POTW (sewer system), then they may be trying to eleviate some discharge concerns with solids or other factors that may have resulted in surcharges. I do not know what their setup is like, so I couldn't comment specifically. I would need to take a look at it. But for example, some marinas will use bales to "prevent" contaminants from their parking lot or boat washing from reentering the water table. Effective, sure, against large paint chips, cigarette butts, etc.

Jon, how DARE YOU!  I said good day Sir!

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I have seen the hay at seabase, but never really gave it any thought. But the algone pouch did make a HUGE difference in the Fowlers tank. I noticed a big difference in 2 days.

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Hello everyone,  thanks again for all the great advice and help.  here are some recent pictures.  As you can see our tank is doing much better.

(sorry, I think I shrunk them down to small)



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